gc28262
09-04 10:16 AM
IV admins, Chandu,
Please delete this thread or move this away from the main page.
This thread is a good fodder for antis.
Please delete this thread or move this away from the main page.
This thread is a good fodder for antis.
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santb1975
09-23 11:20 AM
Let's do it
ebizash
07-21 05:04 PM
i am not convinced u lost 20k in it? my roommate was a quikster guy, he never forced anyone., he would receive all this Junk stuff to sell, after 1 year he said enough and stopped, i dont think its madatory to buy stuff, its all about the new member add and comissions with it that prompts them to catch new desis.
For good sake desis, dont get your wifes and Kids involved in it, i ,met a desi in Target and asked him, dont u feel annoyed getting turned down with rude behaviours, ( he was with wife trying to get me to buy)
he said NO? WHY? after all its all about Money? hear it
People can loose a lot of money in this "business"... 20K in 4 years is petty... literally.
Once you achieve some level in this business, your "uplines" start pestering you to do 300PV every month instead of 100PV. Each PV is about $2.50 + tax + Shipping so 300PV = $800 a month. Most of this $800 stuff is at least with 300% markup and many of the things that we didn't need. So even if we take $200 as waste out of $800, in 4 years, I lost $200x12x4 = $9,600
Now, off course no one puts a gun to your head to buy 300PV but the pressure is nothing less than that. Its very hard to explain just like hard to explain the Niagara Falls experience (this example I have used many times while contacting people).
Now comes the suckiest part - Tapes, Books, Meetings, Conferences.
Each year there are 4 "conferences" over 4 different weekends. Each ticket costs about $125 and the hotel costs another $150. For a couple it comes to $6,400 for 4 years
Every week there is a "Open" meeting which costs $4 per person so for a couple it amounts to $1,664 for 4 years
You "have" to buy (again the pressure) 5 CDs ($8.50 each) and 2 books (~$20 each) every month. This amounts to another $4,000.
Now since it is a pyramid kind of structure, you will not have your entire team in one location or region. We had driven to "help" our group from MN to NY and PA, and MI at least 6-8 times and within northwest at least 20-25 times. This at least amounts to another $4,000
finally, you are "encouraged" to provide samples to new contacts, new team members so that they get hooked up to "Amway" products. Another $2,000.
So I am sure we lost much more than 20K just in hard cash without even counting the opportunity cost of all that time wasted. To be fair though, we are still receiving monthly bonus checks 3 years later which range from $100 to $300 depending on how much stuff is bought by the people who were in our group and who are still buying Amway products.
I don't know why I am explaining all this to you but I know many people who have never been in Amway think that you can not lose money in Amway. In fact it is totally opposite, you can lose your shirt in this "business"..
For good sake desis, dont get your wifes and Kids involved in it, i ,met a desi in Target and asked him, dont u feel annoyed getting turned down with rude behaviours, ( he was with wife trying to get me to buy)
he said NO? WHY? after all its all about Money? hear it
People can loose a lot of money in this "business"... 20K in 4 years is petty... literally.
Once you achieve some level in this business, your "uplines" start pestering you to do 300PV every month instead of 100PV. Each PV is about $2.50 + tax + Shipping so 300PV = $800 a month. Most of this $800 stuff is at least with 300% markup and many of the things that we didn't need. So even if we take $200 as waste out of $800, in 4 years, I lost $200x12x4 = $9,600
Now, off course no one puts a gun to your head to buy 300PV but the pressure is nothing less than that. Its very hard to explain just like hard to explain the Niagara Falls experience (this example I have used many times while contacting people).
Now comes the suckiest part - Tapes, Books, Meetings, Conferences.
Each year there are 4 "conferences" over 4 different weekends. Each ticket costs about $125 and the hotel costs another $150. For a couple it comes to $6,400 for 4 years
Every week there is a "Open" meeting which costs $4 per person so for a couple it amounts to $1,664 for 4 years
You "have" to buy (again the pressure) 5 CDs ($8.50 each) and 2 books (~$20 each) every month. This amounts to another $4,000.
Now since it is a pyramid kind of structure, you will not have your entire team in one location or region. We had driven to "help" our group from MN to NY and PA, and MI at least 6-8 times and within northwest at least 20-25 times. This at least amounts to another $4,000
finally, you are "encouraged" to provide samples to new contacts, new team members so that they get hooked up to "Amway" products. Another $2,000.
So I am sure we lost much more than 20K just in hard cash without even counting the opportunity cost of all that time wasted. To be fair though, we are still receiving monthly bonus checks 3 years later which range from $100 to $300 depending on how much stuff is bought by the people who were in our group and who are still buying Amway products.
I don't know why I am explaining all this to you but I know many people who have never been in Amway think that you can not lose money in Amway. In fact it is totally opposite, you can lose your shirt in this "business"..
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nixstor
09-23 11:42 AM
I just emailed all of them with my name, address and phone number. Atleast 13 of them bounced. Can some one correct the email addresses in that sheet.
Thanks for sending.
send me a PM with addresses that bounced. I will update the list.
Thanks for sending.
send me a PM with addresses that bounced. I will update the list.
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sk2006
04-01 10:53 PM
So if stop discussing this thread, will they join us?
Are you 'high skilled'?
Your logic suggests otherwise!
Are you 'high skilled'?
Your logic suggests otherwise!
GCKaMaara
04-16 10:56 AM
GCKaMaara is right, different people operate at different IQ level.
When there is so much of repeated junk in this thread from the people who think they are political strategist, then what's wrong in posting a fun youtube video twice?
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If you took an authentic IQ test, whats your IQ?
When there is so much of repeated junk in this thread from the people who think they are political strategist, then what's wrong in posting a fun youtube video twice?
.
If you took an authentic IQ test, whats your IQ?
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ramus
06-28 04:59 PM
They couldn't do earlier because dates weren't current.. Now dates are current and they can approve all those pending application who were just waiting for visa number to assign..
I don't think that they will APPROVE 40,000 appplications in a week. Well they were unable to do so in an year, how come in a week or two.
I don't think that they will APPROVE 40,000 appplications in a week. Well they were unable to do so in an year, how come in a week or two.
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Kushal
07-27 06:09 PM
Kaushal,
Why donot you ask your uplines to show their Tax Papers for previous papers to you and to others.
Please ask that as a question next time you visit your upline or diamond next time and then come share your thoughts here.
Since you are in bay area I will reply to you. I don't need to see his tax papers, as long I can see mine. IF you are happy with your thinking so be it...stay where you are...and you can google froogle whatever you want. You will find your like minded people there too.
I don't need to share my thoughts here...its like talking to anti-immigrants on legal/illegal immigration.
Peace OUT!!
Why donot you ask your uplines to show their Tax Papers for previous papers to you and to others.
Please ask that as a question next time you visit your upline or diamond next time and then come share your thoughts here.
Since you are in bay area I will reply to you. I don't need to see his tax papers, as long I can see mine. IF you are happy with your thinking so be it...stay where you are...and you can google froogle whatever you want. You will find your like minded people there too.
I don't need to share my thoughts here...its like talking to anti-immigrants on legal/illegal immigration.
Peace OUT!!
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nozerd
10-10 10:18 AM
What happens when you loose your job on TN1 ? Do you get any time to look for another job ? Do you automatically convert to tourist visa or you need to leave and come back ?
Are the 3 and 10 yr bar reevant for Canadian nationals ?
Are the 3 and 10 yr bar reevant for Canadian nationals ?
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stuckinmuck
04-26 01:58 PM
Hello all,
Any news on what happened on the decision on suspension/removal of labor substitution? I searched in google but couldn't find any updates.
Also, any idea of how much relief this would offer for GC retrogression?
Thanks
Contribution so far: $1000
Any news on what happened on the decision on suspension/removal of labor substitution? I searched in google but couldn't find any updates.
Also, any idea of how much relief this would offer for GC retrogression?
Thanks
Contribution so far: $1000
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blueyonder
05-02 09:02 PM
Dude Newtoearth,
Who are you actually .... you are waging a battle here ... have you guys not waged enough battle in SL and on the internet. Stop it pls .....
You are again proving the point the SL govt is trying to prove. Quit it man ... we all know that there is a Govt sponsored propaganda group trying to post and fight in every forum .. I seriously doubt you are one of them ... with a proxy ID for IV.
Stop it now man ... SL have spilt enough blood ... your posts suggest that the thirst for blood never ends ... either it be Sinhalese or Tamil.
Who are you actually .... you are waging a battle here ... have you guys not waged enough battle in SL and on the internet. Stop it pls .....
You are again proving the point the SL govt is trying to prove. Quit it man ... we all know that there is a Govt sponsored propaganda group trying to post and fight in every forum .. I seriously doubt you are one of them ... with a proxy ID for IV.
Stop it now man ... SL have spilt enough blood ... your posts suggest that the thirst for blood never ends ... either it be Sinhalese or Tamil.
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ebizash
07-21 12:17 PM
I hate their scheming means to rope you in. They keep calling you and bug you to death. Is there anything that you could do to repel Amway desis? Any sprays, creams, poison?
If you want to be gentle - You can say that you have done it in the past and quit...
If you want to scare them - you can also add I quit because I got an audit from IRS and USCIS as it is illegal on non-immigrant visa....that will scare the hell outta them...
If you want to be gentle - You can say that you have done it in the past and quit...
If you want to scare them - you can also add I quit because I got an audit from IRS and USCIS as it is illegal on non-immigrant visa....that will scare the hell outta them...
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newuser
09-23 09:15 PM
E-mailed everyone on the list. Only one bounced ID.
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ebizash
07-27 02:35 PM
Nobody is misguiding anyone. Talk to your lawyer and find out. Amway doesn't offer you employment.
What you get is 1099-MISC the same you get for your stocks and investments. Talk to your lawyer and find out.
Stocks and Investments get you 1099-Div... and that income is not reported on 1040 under Business Income.. Dividends and Interest incomes have their own line items on 1040 (Lines 8 and 9)...The business income is reported under line items 12 and if one makes enough money from the business then there is Self Employment tax - SS and Medicare taxes (Line 56). This is the line item that might get one in trouble with USCIS..You obviously have not filed 1099-MISC yet which tells me that you don't make $600 a year from Amway yet..otherwise you would have gotten a 1099-Misc
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1099-A: acquisition or Abandonment of Secured Property
1099-B: Proceeds from Broker and Barter Exchange Transactions
1099-C: Cancellation of Debt
1099-CAP: Changes in Corporate Control and Capital Structure
1099-DIV: Dividends and Distributions
1099-G: Government Payments
1099-H: Health Insurance Advance Payments
1099-INT: Interest Income
1099-LTC: Long Term Care Benefits
1099-MISC: Miscellaneous Income
1099-OID: Original Issue Discount
1099-PATR: Taxable Distributions Received From Cooperatives
1099-Q: Payment from Qualified Education Programs
1099-R: Distributions from Pensions, Annuities, Retirement Plans, IRAs, or Insurance Contracts
1099-S: Proceeds from Real Estate Transactions
1099-SA: Distributions From an HSA, Archer MSA, or Medicare Advantage MSA
1042-S: Foreign Person's U.S. Source Income
SSA-1099: Social Security Benefit Statement
SSA-1042S: Social Security Benefit Statement to Nonresident Aliens
RRB-1099: Payments by the Railroad Retirement Board
RRB-1099R: Pension and Annuity Income by the Railroad Retirement Board
RRB-1042S: Payments by the Railroad Retirement Board to Nonresident Aliens
W-2G: Certain Gambling Winnings
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I sincerely hope that it works out for you as it does for a few..
What you get is 1099-MISC the same you get for your stocks and investments. Talk to your lawyer and find out.
Stocks and Investments get you 1099-Div... and that income is not reported on 1040 under Business Income.. Dividends and Interest incomes have their own line items on 1040 (Lines 8 and 9)...The business income is reported under line items 12 and if one makes enough money from the business then there is Self Employment tax - SS and Medicare taxes (Line 56). This is the line item that might get one in trouble with USCIS..You obviously have not filed 1099-MISC yet which tells me that you don't make $600 a year from Amway yet..otherwise you would have gotten a 1099-Misc
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1099-A: acquisition or Abandonment of Secured Property
1099-B: Proceeds from Broker and Barter Exchange Transactions
1099-C: Cancellation of Debt
1099-CAP: Changes in Corporate Control and Capital Structure
1099-DIV: Dividends and Distributions
1099-G: Government Payments
1099-H: Health Insurance Advance Payments
1099-INT: Interest Income
1099-LTC: Long Term Care Benefits
1099-MISC: Miscellaneous Income
1099-OID: Original Issue Discount
1099-PATR: Taxable Distributions Received From Cooperatives
1099-Q: Payment from Qualified Education Programs
1099-R: Distributions from Pensions, Annuities, Retirement Plans, IRAs, or Insurance Contracts
1099-S: Proceeds from Real Estate Transactions
1099-SA: Distributions From an HSA, Archer MSA, or Medicare Advantage MSA
1042-S: Foreign Person's U.S. Source Income
SSA-1099: Social Security Benefit Statement
SSA-1042S: Social Security Benefit Statement to Nonresident Aliens
RRB-1099: Payments by the Railroad Retirement Board
RRB-1099R: Pension and Annuity Income by the Railroad Retirement Board
RRB-1042S: Payments by the Railroad Retirement Board to Nonresident Aliens
W-2G: Certain Gambling Winnings
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I sincerely hope that it works out for you as it does for a few..
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dealsnet
09-03 03:03 PM
Most of the Indian politicians are Illiterate. This guy is a medical doctor by profession.
Loved by poor people. Hated by the fundamentalists and Naxals. Most of the AP politicians are corrupt including former PM P.V. N RAO.
I AM NOT FROM AP. ALL I KNOW FROM READING ONLINE FROM THE LAST 2 DAYS.
SEE THE LINK 14 PEOPLE DIE OF SHOCK.
14 die of YSR shock in Andhra - India - NEWS - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/14-die-of-YSR-shock-in-Andhra/articleshow/4969157.cms)
USA, UK CONDOLE YSR DEATH.
US, France, UK condole Reddy's death - India - NEWS - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/US-France-UK-condole-Reddys-death/articleshow/4969149.cms)
Folks whose views "Very sad news...May his soul rest and peace." for indian politicians are stupid and ediot. Not a single indian politician is admirable except Atalji.
about YSR, who violated Indian constitute being secular by promoting one religion(everyone knows) . Under his government, Whose life is improved? Any farmers, middle class folks , poor are same as before? No.
So, dont write Sorry , sad news, his soul rest and peace on this board, otheriwse, someone like me freak out and reply.
Loved by poor people. Hated by the fundamentalists and Naxals. Most of the AP politicians are corrupt including former PM P.V. N RAO.
I AM NOT FROM AP. ALL I KNOW FROM READING ONLINE FROM THE LAST 2 DAYS.
SEE THE LINK 14 PEOPLE DIE OF SHOCK.
14 die of YSR shock in Andhra - India - NEWS - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/14-die-of-YSR-shock-in-Andhra/articleshow/4969157.cms)
USA, UK CONDOLE YSR DEATH.
US, France, UK condole Reddy's death - India - NEWS - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/US-France-UK-condole-Reddys-death/articleshow/4969149.cms)
Folks whose views "Very sad news...May his soul rest and peace." for indian politicians are stupid and ediot. Not a single indian politician is admirable except Atalji.
about YSR, who violated Indian constitute being secular by promoting one religion(everyone knows) . Under his government, Whose life is improved? Any farmers, middle class folks , poor are same as before? No.
So, dont write Sorry , sad news, his soul rest and peace on this board, otheriwse, someone like me freak out and reply.
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sanju
04-16 10:22 AM
OK, Its your opinion and that shows your civic sense. But why are you posting the same again and again?
GCKaMaara is right, different people operate at different IQ level.
When there is so much of repeated junk in this thread from the people who think they are political strategist, then what's wrong in posting a fun youtube video twice?
.
GCKaMaara is right, different people operate at different IQ level.
When there is so much of repeated junk in this thread from the people who think they are political strategist, then what's wrong in posting a fun youtube video twice?
.
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alisa
06-28 07:41 PM
There is nothing we can do.
So relax.
If your AOS is meant to be filed in July, then it will be filed in July.
If not, then it won't. And things will be similar to the way things have been for such a long time.
So relax.
If your AOS is meant to be filed in July, then it will be filed in July.
If not, then it won't. And things will be similar to the way things have been for such a long time.
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thomachan72
01-13 09:39 PM
Do you think with a cordinated effort on part of the IV members that we could/should write a well drafted letter to the USCIS to not target H1b worker for the cause of unemployment. Highlighting the various well researched articles that clearly say that H1b creates/retains jobs and the more they target H1b the more employment is affected. The real problem is outsourcing.
I am just trying to put a thought out into the forum. Let us see what the IV leaders say. Somebody said that AILA was working to halt this process maybe we should write to them and extend our support first??
I am just trying to put a thought out into the forum. Let us see what the IV leaders say. Somebody said that AILA was working to halt this process maybe we should write to them and extend our support first??
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hopefulgc
05-29 09:25 AM
Seems like Mr. charles is full of shit. He is sounding "informed" but i don't think they know what the real numbers are....YET. It showed inadvertently, when he said "based on the Eb3 demand for the rest of the year". Hello.. EB3 is unavailable.
I mean what do you expect him to do when you corner him and start asking him questions. He is gonna have to throw numbers out there to make himself look informed and intelligent and on top of his game.
The sad part is he is going to now set the VBs as he stated here to validate his erroneous statements.
1. Employment-Based Visa Number Movement and Predictions
I mean what do you expect him to do when you corner him and start asking him questions. He is gonna have to throw numbers out there to make himself look informed and intelligent and on top of his game.
The sad part is he is going to now set the VBs as he stated here to validate his erroneous statements.
1. Employment-Based Visa Number Movement and Predictions
breddy2000
09-04 12:28 AM
It's a strange fact that he came back to power.
The guy, his son and his team have been looting, destroying, killing (political killings) on the scales of mafia never ever seen in the history of AP.
I repeat that again. Good riddance. Wish his Son was also part of the chopper trip...that would have been complete liberation.
For “dealsnet”, politicians are diplomatic, that is how they have to be, and behind their minds they might have a different plan and agenda. Why should we anonymous people be diplomatic? And why should we be afraid to speak?
If you have a personal interest in Congress or YSR say your sympathies and talk about it. No need to preach and say that others are not responsible. I think at least in this forum we are educated on a level basis.
And for closing yesterday’s thread on YSR, you people should grow! Immigration Voice is just one among thousands of other web sites and if you believe you have a point, talk about it.
CHANDUV23(aka _TrueFacts)
See what you have been preaching about being afraid. If you are not afraid to speak, why do you need to hide your identity
The guy, his son and his team have been looting, destroying, killing (political killings) on the scales of mafia never ever seen in the history of AP.
I repeat that again. Good riddance. Wish his Son was also part of the chopper trip...that would have been complete liberation.
For “dealsnet”, politicians are diplomatic, that is how they have to be, and behind their minds they might have a different plan and agenda. Why should we anonymous people be diplomatic? And why should we be afraid to speak?
If you have a personal interest in Congress or YSR say your sympathies and talk about it. No need to preach and say that others are not responsible. I think at least in this forum we are educated on a level basis.
And for closing yesterday’s thread on YSR, you people should grow! Immigration Voice is just one among thousands of other web sites and if you believe you have a point, talk about it.
CHANDUV23(aka _TrueFacts)
See what you have been preaching about being afraid. If you are not afraid to speak, why do you need to hide your identity
DSLStart
09-23 09:59 AM
An excellent idea so far from any member. This can certainly make govt/congress serious about EB issues. And if govt really goes ahead and does something as mentioned in the post, it'll benefit current GC waiter homeowners to get their GC fast and also persuade GC waiters who are still on fence about home buying decision.
I fully support this effort.
I fully support this effort.
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