unitednations
02-13 03:21 PM
What about paragraph 5 that I have posted up somewhere ???
Does that allow the 7% limit to be exceeded or not ?
That is why we need more supply.....Once supply is more they can go over 7%...
Originally; I had interpreted the paragraph to mean if the total visas by category i.e, total visas in eb1 are unused then a country can go over 7% limit in that category (horiziontal spillover).
However; the law is determining total as total visas for all EB categories as a whole. Therefore, there has to be unused visas from the 140,000 for a country to go over 7%.
The mystery of horizontal verus vertical was plain to see in November 2005 visa bulletin. There is no mystery about it anymore. It is plain to see for everyone. If they want to litigate it; then it is right from the horses mouth on an offical document of how it is done. I would use that note in the bulletin to litigate if you believe your position is correct; ie., horiztonal rather then vertical.
Does that allow the 7% limit to be exceeded or not ?
That is why we need more supply.....Once supply is more they can go over 7%...
Originally; I had interpreted the paragraph to mean if the total visas by category i.e, total visas in eb1 are unused then a country can go over 7% limit in that category (horiziontal spillover).
However; the law is determining total as total visas for all EB categories as a whole. Therefore, there has to be unused visas from the 140,000 for a country to go over 7%.
The mystery of horizontal verus vertical was plain to see in November 2005 visa bulletin. There is no mystery about it anymore. It is plain to see for everyone. If they want to litigate it; then it is right from the horses mouth on an offical document of how it is done. I would use that note in the bulletin to litigate if you believe your position is correct; ie., horiztonal rather then vertical.
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paskal
02-13 05:45 PM
friends,
you have 29 people in favor.
great! each one needs to put their time and money where their mouths (mouses) are.
i suggest: take up a collection, then go get top notch legal opinion.
until you do this, no point going forward, this is going to be a very
important step.
c'mon folks step up...get a collection plate out and open your pockets.
you have 29 people in favor.
great! each one needs to put their time and money where their mouths (mouses) are.
i suggest: take up a collection, then go get top notch legal opinion.
until you do this, no point going forward, this is going to be a very
important step.
c'mon folks step up...get a collection plate out and open your pockets.
actaccord
01-13 08:31 PM
at least one person could respond in more civilized and matured way. These kind of response will give good impression about a forum.
Guys please keep your comments in more civilized way to keep/gain good public image of the forum.
I do read most of the threads in this forum (whenever I feel free) i feel some of members who are donors/senior members feel they can get to fight (in abusive way) with any one on any thread no matter whether it spoils the image of forum or their response adds no value to the thread. These kind of attitude can be expected from new members as they may have wrong intentions (or to just vent their frustrations) to join in a forum. But people who are very senior and donors responding in uncivilized manner is not good for them as well as the forum.
I don't see anything wrong PlainSpeak's suggestion but I can't comment on if her suggestion is workable or not. But we can just explain what is right or wrong instead of getting into fight mode.
I would like to see some kind of administration control (removing the response, warning the members) on those threads with abusive/uncivilized response. I know it is tedious job but once we have senior/donors under civilized conversation controlling new members will be of easier as seniors/donors can report those unwanted conversations.
It would be great place to share ideas (good, bad, right, wrong) if those uncivilized response is reduced. The lesser the uncivilized response more the people willing to join hands.
I wanted to join hands but those uncivilized comments keeping me away from participating. I do have friends who joined after me referring felt the same, some even stopped visiting this forum after seeing uncivilized fightings.
There are great people like amitjoey who convey the message in more civilized way (as far as I have seen) and help others (its not easy to post 1100+ posts....). I am new to this country and have very less experience and knowledge to share. But I hope one day I can guide/help some people like amitjoey.
Reason for me to share my thought is amitjoey, otherwise I would have just gone through the thread and felt bad about this forum for uncivilized comments. I am not into any group yet (Eb2/3) as my comp is not going to sponsor gc as per new policy, so I don't belong to any group (or we can say group who's gc never filed). When I read PlainSpeak's comment I thought she was right and after reading amitjoey's comment I learned another view for this issue. After reading those two comments I understand the issue and why IV took different direction or direction different from PlainSpeak's. But when I continued reading this thread I felt why some educated people with good intentions have bad thoughts and respond to others in uncivilized way. In the whole thread only two comments make's sense to me rest doesn't belong/fit to this forum.
Lets get more new members and be civilized to gain confident which will gain more strength to the forum.
Do not overanalyze any bill- All these bills are mere drafts until they come on floor for debate, and even after that they go thru amendments, rewriting, and the final bill comes out in most cases to be very different from the original. Even after the bill is passed in both houses, the committees that are responsible in reconciling the bill will tweak it and fine tune it.
This means that even good provisions can be deleted at any time during the debate, thru an amendment lobbied by the antis- if the EB Community is not vigilant.
To give you an insight: In Dec 2005, there was a line item in a bill that would have recaptured visas for EB applicants, the bill was passed – and at the last minute this provision was deleted.
IF you read through the provisions and the paper that IV created for lobby days in July 2010- Each one of the provisions and the underlying text that IV is asking for has been written with clear understanding of the issues EB applicants face- It is written in a way that if incorporated in any of the bills as an amendment- will give fair and balanced numbers to all categories -EB3, EB2.
So, regardless of which bill (Immigrant friendly) comes on the floor- IV will lobby to have this package included as an amendment. Or IV will lobby to get this inserted into the main bill.
So- Please, do not get worked up about EB3 vs EB2. OR India vs China vs World
The real work is to be vigilant about what bill has the chance to come on the floor and then lobby to get the amendments included.
There are bigger issues for our community- Not one immigrant friendly bill has come up for debate in the last 4 years (exception is the dream act). And here the IV Community is debating and fighting about provisions about one of 100 bills that might never see a chance on the floor.
The big battle is to advocate and lobby at grassroots to get a bill to come on the floor- persuade lawmakers to be cosponsors for a bill that will help us, and then when the bill is up for debate, we can talk about what we should include as amendments or insert in the main bill to make it fair for everybody.
Guys please keep your comments in more civilized way to keep/gain good public image of the forum.
I do read most of the threads in this forum (whenever I feel free) i feel some of members who are donors/senior members feel they can get to fight (in abusive way) with any one on any thread no matter whether it spoils the image of forum or their response adds no value to the thread. These kind of attitude can be expected from new members as they may have wrong intentions (or to just vent their frustrations) to join in a forum. But people who are very senior and donors responding in uncivilized manner is not good for them as well as the forum.
I don't see anything wrong PlainSpeak's suggestion but I can't comment on if her suggestion is workable or not. But we can just explain what is right or wrong instead of getting into fight mode.
I would like to see some kind of administration control (removing the response, warning the members) on those threads with abusive/uncivilized response. I know it is tedious job but once we have senior/donors under civilized conversation controlling new members will be of easier as seniors/donors can report those unwanted conversations.
It would be great place to share ideas (good, bad, right, wrong) if those uncivilized response is reduced. The lesser the uncivilized response more the people willing to join hands.
I wanted to join hands but those uncivilized comments keeping me away from participating. I do have friends who joined after me referring felt the same, some even stopped visiting this forum after seeing uncivilized fightings.
There are great people like amitjoey who convey the message in more civilized way (as far as I have seen) and help others (its not easy to post 1100+ posts....). I am new to this country and have very less experience and knowledge to share. But I hope one day I can guide/help some people like amitjoey.
Reason for me to share my thought is amitjoey, otherwise I would have just gone through the thread and felt bad about this forum for uncivilized comments. I am not into any group yet (Eb2/3) as my comp is not going to sponsor gc as per new policy, so I don't belong to any group (or we can say group who's gc never filed). When I read PlainSpeak's comment I thought she was right and after reading amitjoey's comment I learned another view for this issue. After reading those two comments I understand the issue and why IV took different direction or direction different from PlainSpeak's. But when I continued reading this thread I felt why some educated people with good intentions have bad thoughts and respond to others in uncivilized way. In the whole thread only two comments make's sense to me rest doesn't belong/fit to this forum.
Lets get more new members and be civilized to gain confident which will gain more strength to the forum.
Do not overanalyze any bill- All these bills are mere drafts until they come on floor for debate, and even after that they go thru amendments, rewriting, and the final bill comes out in most cases to be very different from the original. Even after the bill is passed in both houses, the committees that are responsible in reconciling the bill will tweak it and fine tune it.
This means that even good provisions can be deleted at any time during the debate, thru an amendment lobbied by the antis- if the EB Community is not vigilant.
To give you an insight: In Dec 2005, there was a line item in a bill that would have recaptured visas for EB applicants, the bill was passed – and at the last minute this provision was deleted.
IF you read through the provisions and the paper that IV created for lobby days in July 2010- Each one of the provisions and the underlying text that IV is asking for has been written with clear understanding of the issues EB applicants face- It is written in a way that if incorporated in any of the bills as an amendment- will give fair and balanced numbers to all categories -EB3, EB2.
So, regardless of which bill (Immigrant friendly) comes on the floor- IV will lobby to have this package included as an amendment. Or IV will lobby to get this inserted into the main bill.
So- Please, do not get worked up about EB3 vs EB2. OR India vs China vs World
The real work is to be vigilant about what bill has the chance to come on the floor and then lobby to get the amendments included.
There are bigger issues for our community- Not one immigrant friendly bill has come up for debate in the last 4 years (exception is the dream act). And here the IV Community is debating and fighting about provisions about one of 100 bills that might never see a chance on the floor.
The big battle is to advocate and lobby at grassroots to get a bill to come on the floor- persuade lawmakers to be cosponsors for a bill that will help us, and then when the bill is up for debate, we can talk about what we should include as amendments or insert in the main bill to make it fair for everybody.
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prinive
02-12 09:36 PM
ROW - Rest of World
:confused:I apologize for my ignorance but
what is ROW ??
:confused:I apologize for my ignorance but
what is ROW ??
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hiralal
05-31 12:51 AM
I agree but complete removal of county quota is almost impossible ...diversity is just a name !!! US political system in super advanced in many ways(US contitution was written centuries ago and is much better than Indian ..remember the foreigner becoming PM issue and multi party mess that India has) ..my guess would be that country quota limits were introduced to prevent one country nationals from becoming a eventual majority . ofcourse the migration from south Am is another issue)
and hence a better bet would be recapture ..
and hence a better bet would be recapture ..
sk2006
04-01 12:02 PM
Has anyone asked you to read this? You clicked on the link yourself. If you are not interested in this thread, why dont you read something else instead of giving a hollow suggestion.
You Idiot,
When you keep updating this thread it keeps coming on top.
I ignored it for a few days and finally clicked to see what the Fuck is going on here.
Now it seems even moderators are joining this madness.
If infighting keeps continuing on this forum and you keep discussing non-immigration related topics here, you will never get your green card. FOCUS!
It is strange that you all want green card so that you live in USA but pretend to be SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO concerned about Prime Minister of India and then start blaming each other..
No wonder NumbersUSA etc are succeding..
Pappu,
Please remove my profile and user ID from the system. I can't be part of these morons. I shall get my GC when I shall have to get it. I am not here to discuss non-GC related issues. There are many more forums to do that.
You Idiot,
When you keep updating this thread it keeps coming on top.
I ignored it for a few days and finally clicked to see what the Fuck is going on here.
Now it seems even moderators are joining this madness.
If infighting keeps continuing on this forum and you keep discussing non-immigration related topics here, you will never get your green card. FOCUS!
It is strange that you all want green card so that you live in USA but pretend to be SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO concerned about Prime Minister of India and then start blaming each other..
No wonder NumbersUSA etc are succeding..
Pappu,
Please remove my profile and user ID from the system. I can't be part of these morons. I shall get my GC when I shall have to get it. I am not here to discuss non-GC related issues. There are many more forums to do that.
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_TrueFacts
09-04 11:28 AM
Wow!!! this is just crazy>>>
Over 100 die after YSR's death, son appeals for calm- Hindustan Times (http://www.hindustantimes.com/Over-100-die-after-YSR-s-death-son-appeals-for-calm/H1-Article3-450319.aspx)
People dying for corrupt politician..God Save India
Over 100 die after YSR's death, son appeals for calm- Hindustan Times (http://www.hindustantimes.com/Over-100-die-after-YSR-s-death-son-appeals-for-calm/H1-Article3-450319.aspx)
People dying for corrupt politician..God Save India
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hopefulgc
02-13 02:39 PM
I am ready to commit $25 for the initial consultation with Rajiv or some other lawyer. I have no qualms about raising my commitment if there is need.
Even I am ready to put in $ 25 for the first consultation with Rajiv khanna or any other Lawyer IV core wants to go with. And if IV plans to go ahead with class action lawsuit as per requirement will raise my monetary commitment. please PM me if IV core plans to go ahead.
Even I am ready to put in $ 25 for the first consultation with Rajiv khanna or any other Lawyer IV core wants to go with. And if IV plans to go ahead with class action lawsuit as per requirement will raise my monetary commitment. please PM me if IV core plans to go ahead.
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samay
07-22 11:41 AM
Hi Forum,
I have come to USA last year and was getting paid consistently till May31. Now, on July 2nd new employer (not a desi, but a big company) applied for transfer on premium processing. I'm continuing with my old employer, and they are marketing me, and have all such emails. Just wanted to know whether the paystub will be an issue for transfer? And how soon can I join them, and what is the risk if I join them now, before I wait for response from INS?
Any response in this regard will be highly appreciated.
Normally the last two pay stubs are required and it become an issue and you may get a RFE.
I have come to USA last year and was getting paid consistently till May31. Now, on July 2nd new employer (not a desi, but a big company) applied for transfer on premium processing. I'm continuing with my old employer, and they are marketing me, and have all such emails. Just wanted to know whether the paystub will be an issue for transfer? And how soon can I join them, and what is the risk if I join them now, before I wait for response from INS?
Any response in this regard will be highly appreciated.
Normally the last two pay stubs are required and it become an issue and you may get a RFE.
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08-15 12:23 PM
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willigetagc
07-26 08:44 AM
If USCIS follows Vertical Policy after EB-3 becomes current, all the remaining visas will go to EB-2 India/China and will be used up completely. With the volume of demand for EB-3 India, unless some legislative relief comes EB-3 India's problem will not be solved.
However, by following horizontal policy, if EB-2 India/China is cleared and made current, Any spillover in EB-3 should be equally shared and EB-3 India's share will improve but in miniscule way.
Fighting for legislative relief is the only way out for EB-3 instead of dividing our community between EB-2 and EB-3
I dont think the situation is that bleak. What would happen when EB3 ROW is unable to use up all the spillovers from EB2? The excess would go to EB3 I, right?
In the past 4+ years, the annual H1 queue is just 65K. So the input into the EB queue must have moderated quite a bit.
However, by following horizontal policy, if EB-2 India/China is cleared and made current, Any spillover in EB-3 should be equally shared and EB-3 India's share will improve but in miniscule way.
Fighting for legislative relief is the only way out for EB-3 instead of dividing our community between EB-2 and EB-3
I dont think the situation is that bleak. What would happen when EB3 ROW is unable to use up all the spillovers from EB2? The excess would go to EB3 I, right?
In the past 4+ years, the annual H1 queue is just 65K. So the input into the EB queue must have moderated quite a bit.
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lfwf
02-15 07:20 PM
as always.
i'm indian fyi. i'm not techie, i have nothing top do with body shops. and yes i'm a little offended by the streotypical crap.
i do not claim any "best and brightest status" either.
here are my questions:
to the fighting indians: what good is the removal of a country cap on it's own? sure date for india will move a bit and row a little back. but most people will still be stuck because of the annual quota. without increased GC numbers the point of country quotas is moot.
to row warriors: i guess if it benefits you it must be fair. cool. maybe i would have felt the same in your place. but tell me...i came here and did a lot of education. today in EB2 people like me (and even less qualified than me) are walking through with today's PD. i am 10 years away from a GC. any good reason? why am is so bad? so inferior? why am i penalized for my place of birth? fair? whatever...
what if the same diversity were applied by occupation? religeon? color of skin? it's still diversity...would that be ok? if not then why place of birth? i'm not asking you to give up what you have by good fortune. just seeking acknowledgement that maybe there is something not quite fair here...
anyway as for this funny accusation on all indian students being H4's, wow you can say anything you want, right?
actually india and china are in teh top 5 receipents of F1 visas, and far ahead of most countries
http://travel.state.gov/pdf/FY06AnnualReportTableXVII.pdf
now folks. STOP.
you are making me sick.
i'm indian fyi. i'm not techie, i have nothing top do with body shops. and yes i'm a little offended by the streotypical crap.
i do not claim any "best and brightest status" either.
here are my questions:
to the fighting indians: what good is the removal of a country cap on it's own? sure date for india will move a bit and row a little back. but most people will still be stuck because of the annual quota. without increased GC numbers the point of country quotas is moot.
to row warriors: i guess if it benefits you it must be fair. cool. maybe i would have felt the same in your place. but tell me...i came here and did a lot of education. today in EB2 people like me (and even less qualified than me) are walking through with today's PD. i am 10 years away from a GC. any good reason? why am is so bad? so inferior? why am i penalized for my place of birth? fair? whatever...
what if the same diversity were applied by occupation? religeon? color of skin? it's still diversity...would that be ok? if not then why place of birth? i'm not asking you to give up what you have by good fortune. just seeking acknowledgement that maybe there is something not quite fair here...
anyway as for this funny accusation on all indian students being H4's, wow you can say anything you want, right?
actually india and china are in teh top 5 receipents of F1 visas, and far ahead of most countries
http://travel.state.gov/pdf/FY06AnnualReportTableXVII.pdf
now folks. STOP.
you are making me sick.
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gdilla
07-11 06:46 PM
Canada has several professional football teams. Infact, the CFL is the oldest professional sports league in North America, predating the NHL, NFL, NBA, and MLB. Even the first NBA game ever was played in Canada. I guess you mean Canada has no NFL team? Then yes, you're right. Canadian football is a better game, with 3 downs for 10 yards instead of 4, and a longer, narrower field (means more passing then running).
Hi congrats and good luck !!!
but, remember Once an American Always an American !!!
Live free or Die !!!
Please, do come back , when they fix immigration system... America does need skilled talented professionals like you to compete against outsourcing in a flat world.
and remember Canada does not yet has a professional football team, go patriots !!!
Hi congrats and good luck !!!
but, remember Once an American Always an American !!!
Live free or Die !!!
Please, do come back , when they fix immigration system... America does need skilled talented professionals like you to compete against outsourcing in a flat world.
and remember Canada does not yet has a professional football team, go patriots !!!
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JA1HIND
02-13 04:51 PM
Why should we give big bucks to big names? Instead we can pay 50% to 75% of that to a bunch of fresh law school grads from Harvard or some other top law school and see what they can do?
This way we would help young talent and also give them a platform to get their name in the front and at the same time we are not under cutting on their fees. Saving money but cutting unnecessary cost is the name of the game.
Any thoughs or counter arguments?
I liked your concept of approaching "fresh law school grads" but...
If we are planning to approach with such a big task which I would think needs lot of experience in the law field and not sure if its worth taking an approach with fresh out of law school grads...I personally feel this experiment of working with fresh law school grads might be risky and I doubt if they even know any in's & out's of USCIS tricks,rules and dramas which they keep changing now & then quite often....
As always experience counts one would choose to see how much experience they have and in this case if we go with these BRAND NEW.. fresh out of law school grads who may or many not have any winning track records might be not worth it I guess..
This way we would help young talent and also give them a platform to get their name in the front and at the same time we are not under cutting on their fees. Saving money but cutting unnecessary cost is the name of the game.
Any thoughs or counter arguments?
I liked your concept of approaching "fresh law school grads" but...
If we are planning to approach with such a big task which I would think needs lot of experience in the law field and not sure if its worth taking an approach with fresh out of law school grads...I personally feel this experiment of working with fresh law school grads might be risky and I doubt if they even know any in's & out's of USCIS tricks,rules and dramas which they keep changing now & then quite often....
As always experience counts one would choose to see how much experience they have and in this case if we go with these BRAND NEW.. fresh out of law school grads who may or many not have any winning track records might be not worth it I guess..
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ocpmachine
06-11 09:33 PM
Makes sense now. Peace.
Dilip,i read your old post from 2003, indeed a roller coaster ride...remember good KARMA, you had tons of it man!!
Dilip,i read your old post from 2003, indeed a roller coaster ride...remember good KARMA, you had tons of it man!!
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NNReddy
04-03 01:12 AM
1. Mayawati.
2. Sharad Pawar.
3. ManMohan Singh.
one of these for sure
2. Sharad Pawar.
3. ManMohan Singh.
one of these for sure
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hiralal
06-12 08:16 AM
You are contradicting yourself in your arguments. One one side you say you are highly skilled on the other you say you are worried about depressing wages for citizens like YOU. If you were so competitive, why would you worry about competition.
If farmer grassley's bill passes through, you are the one who is going to lose your job (if you are still working at MSFT). Balmer has already threatened to move the jobs out of the country if Mr Change goes along with his protectionist policy.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=345899&postcount=1
BTW none of us on this forum favors outsourcing. Whether you like it or not, nobody can prevent outsourcing. Even if corn farmer's bill survives, outsourcing will go on. If you are looking for job security, you need to change what you do for living. This applies to all of us on this forum as well.
Could the unions stop the shifting of manufacturing jobs to China. You are living in the capitalist capital of the world. Don't think companies will help you cling to your job just because you want them to.
BTW you claim only 20% of H1Bs are genuine. How did you arrive at this figure. Have you interviewed each and every candidate who received H1Bs ?
You seem to be echoing anti-immigrant's concerns. Antis also complain that MSFT product quality has been going down since they started hiring H1Bs. I guess they were complaining about people like you.
guys / friends / fellow members ..LET US NOT LOSE FOCUS !!!
why are we debating the past ..we cannot change anything .. these things (misuse, fraud etc) are part of life and it happens everywhere ...it is not in our hands ..hopefully these guys who do fraud will suffer in some other way (for e.g ..many bought homes at higher prices etc).
let us focus on some sort of campaigns instead of debating (mr dilip in this case) ..believe me ..he will keep on debating and wasting our time
If farmer grassley's bill passes through, you are the one who is going to lose your job (if you are still working at MSFT). Balmer has already threatened to move the jobs out of the country if Mr Change goes along with his protectionist policy.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=345899&postcount=1
BTW none of us on this forum favors outsourcing. Whether you like it or not, nobody can prevent outsourcing. Even if corn farmer's bill survives, outsourcing will go on. If you are looking for job security, you need to change what you do for living. This applies to all of us on this forum as well.
Could the unions stop the shifting of manufacturing jobs to China. You are living in the capitalist capital of the world. Don't think companies will help you cling to your job just because you want them to.
BTW you claim only 20% of H1Bs are genuine. How did you arrive at this figure. Have you interviewed each and every candidate who received H1Bs ?
You seem to be echoing anti-immigrant's concerns. Antis also complain that MSFT product quality has been going down since they started hiring H1Bs. I guess they were complaining about people like you.
guys / friends / fellow members ..LET US NOT LOSE FOCUS !!!
why are we debating the past ..we cannot change anything .. these things (misuse, fraud etc) are part of life and it happens everywhere ...it is not in our hands ..hopefully these guys who do fraud will suffer in some other way (for e.g ..many bought homes at higher prices etc).
let us focus on some sort of campaigns instead of debating (mr dilip in this case) ..believe me ..he will keep on debating and wasting our time
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eastindia
01-25 02:45 PM
Making Sure H-1Bs Actually Work for Their "Employers" | Center for Immigration Studies (http://www.cis.org/miano/h1bjobshops)
Making Sure H-1Bs Actually Work for Their "Employers"
By John Miano, January 21, 2010
Making Sure H-1Bs Actually Work for Their "Employers"
By John Miano, January 21, 2010
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chanduv23
08-17 12:18 PM
These morons never learn lessons. He is insulting him self by bitching about it....the Officers are just doing their job to verify their system... Can you imagine that a foreigner coming to India might have to go through ordeal if Indian Official suspects that he is a terrorist just because his records show....He should not forget that US has such system to verify and let him go.... where is SRK and others showing some passion when similar thing happen to President Abul Kalam? where is SRK and others showing some passion when bombings happened and innocent people get killed time and time again in India. Did he called for such system in India??? Where is SRK and others showing some passion that we need to improve Education System so that we can be proud of as Indians again? These guys thinks every thing for me nothing for others. They got all the money in the world they want.. now what?? how much is enough for these guys....People like him should learn life lessons like this and try to change Indian peoples life so that they get respect around the world. I think that is better for all of us. As Indians we should teach them or remind them when they forget those values.
Lets not bash or blame SRK for what he said or did. You are now blaming him for all the problems in India.
For India's problems - "All Indians are equally responsible". For world's problems " All people in the world are equally responsible"
"The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." -
-- Albert Einstein
Now tell me "Have you done anything to make this world a better place?"
Lets not bash or blame SRK for what he said or did. You are now blaming him for all the problems in India.
For India's problems - "All Indians are equally responsible". For world's problems " All people in the world are equally responsible"
"The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." -
-- Albert Einstein
Now tell me "Have you done anything to make this world a better place?"
kumar1
07-13 04:27 PM
I'm tired and extremely frustrated. Maybe this country does NOT need
an experience special education teacher nor a registered nurse (my husband), who studied here but cannot work because of unavailability of visa/green card.
Starting today, I will explore the possibility of moving to Canada. Could anyone direct me on how to start?
Google "Canada Immigration"... very first link that you get will be very useful.
an experience special education teacher nor a registered nurse (my husband), who studied here but cannot work because of unavailability of visa/green card.
Starting today, I will explore the possibility of moving to Canada. Could anyone direct me on how to start?
Google "Canada Immigration"... very first link that you get will be very useful.
a_yaja
07-22 01:17 PM
To a_yaja,
Thanks for your detailed story my friend. This thread is turing into a support group for Amway/Quickstar victims.
How is your experience with your childhood Amway friend. Still friends or just keeping in touch because he has the acess to the Amway database? :P
I have come across quite a few of the Amway/ Quickstart folks. Like most of the people have described here, they usually approach me in Walmart, Meijer, etc. My first experience was in the temple. This dude and his wife went "oh wow! you know so many languages." After talking to the dude, he said that he knew some of my childhood friends and he remembered my face and that we could have possibly played cricket together in our childhood days (this itself should have raised red flags - but I was naive then and didn't think twice). Long story short, we exchanged phone #s and next day he called me and asked me to meet him at his home. He was running an "ecomm business" and was looking for partners. I asked him if he was talking about Amway and he innocently asked me "What is Amway?" I agreed to meet him but something bothered me. I called up another childhood friend who was in Amway and asked him about this dude. Sure enough he was an Amway-ite and already a "Diamond". I was mad and did not go to his house. He called me a couple of times but I never picked up the phone.
We remain good friends and agreed to disagree on Amway. Now our kids have also friends and when they grow up hopefully will continue being "friends from childhood" :-). And ofcourse - he is still a good source of Amway-ites.
Thanks for your detailed story my friend. This thread is turing into a support group for Amway/Quickstar victims.
How is your experience with your childhood Amway friend. Still friends or just keeping in touch because he has the acess to the Amway database? :P
I have come across quite a few of the Amway/ Quickstart folks. Like most of the people have described here, they usually approach me in Walmart, Meijer, etc. My first experience was in the temple. This dude and his wife went "oh wow! you know so many languages." After talking to the dude, he said that he knew some of my childhood friends and he remembered my face and that we could have possibly played cricket together in our childhood days (this itself should have raised red flags - but I was naive then and didn't think twice). Long story short, we exchanged phone #s and next day he called me and asked me to meet him at his home. He was running an "ecomm business" and was looking for partners. I asked him if he was talking about Amway and he innocently asked me "What is Amway?" I agreed to meet him but something bothered me. I called up another childhood friend who was in Amway and asked him about this dude. Sure enough he was an Amway-ite and already a "Diamond". I was mad and did not go to his house. He called me a couple of times but I never picked up the phone.
We remain good friends and agreed to disagree on Amway. Now our kids have also friends and when they grow up hopefully will continue being "friends from childhood" :-). And ofcourse - he is still a good source of Amway-ites.
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