dilipcr
06-11 05:11 PM
To be honest, I do agree that the US needs qualified people with skillsets. The real question is "Are the people from the desi consulting companies the real qualified lot ? " Just to get my background details out of the way. I am a new member, from India ofcourse, and I have recently applied for my citizenship. Now with this huge deluge of immigrants, especially from the desi consulting companies, I feel that my quality of life is getting adversely impacted. Do not rush to conclusions that I am anti Indian or anti immigrant. 12 years back when I first got my H1 visa, the requirements to qualify were strict. Staffing companies to a decent extent followed rules and tried to get the best and the brightest. Once the dot com boom started, people from all walks of life entered IT. This was true of not just the Indians but also of people in the US. Soon after the bust, the value proposition from these staffing companies was simply low cost. This is not to blame the staffing companies. They behaved in an economically rational way.
Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.
In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.
In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.
Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.
In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.
In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.
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kondur_007
09-17 12:45 PM
Here is what I want to understand.
EB2 ROW is CURRENT except INDIA AND CHINA. EB2 ROW will get 28.6% of 140000.
This means 40040. How they are going to divide these visa between INDIA and CHINA?
This is NOT SpillOver. I know there is 7% rule, but other countries are always Current.
And EB1 is CURRENT and considering Bad economy very few cases will be filed under EB1.
What will happen to those 40040 Visa? If those spillover to EB2 ROW, we may see a large quantity of Visa numbers for EB2.
Considering 50% of each EB1 and EB2 visas consumed by other than INDIA AND CHINA, still we should get aroud 40040 visas this year.If you furher divide 50% between INDIA and CHINA, both will get 20020, Which might be sufficient to cross 2005.
You are right on the point. In fact (I may be overly optimistic here), I would not be surprised at all to see PD of EB2I in 2007 or 2008 in the last quarter (Aug-Sept) and it may even see the magincal "C" in Sept 2010. (Making the dream come true for VDLRAO!!)
(Remember, with preadjudications, there are no more pending EB2-ROW (except for the new adjudications) and EB2 China has been in 2006 for quite some time as well in the past)
EB2 ROW is CURRENT except INDIA AND CHINA. EB2 ROW will get 28.6% of 140000.
This means 40040. How they are going to divide these visa between INDIA and CHINA?
This is NOT SpillOver. I know there is 7% rule, but other countries are always Current.
And EB1 is CURRENT and considering Bad economy very few cases will be filed under EB1.
What will happen to those 40040 Visa? If those spillover to EB2 ROW, we may see a large quantity of Visa numbers for EB2.
Considering 50% of each EB1 and EB2 visas consumed by other than INDIA AND CHINA, still we should get aroud 40040 visas this year.If you furher divide 50% between INDIA and CHINA, both will get 20020, Which might be sufficient to cross 2005.
You are right on the point. In fact (I may be overly optimistic here), I would not be surprised at all to see PD of EB2I in 2007 or 2008 in the last quarter (Aug-Sept) and it may even see the magincal "C" in Sept 2010. (Making the dream come true for VDLRAO!!)
(Remember, with preadjudications, there are no more pending EB2-ROW (except for the new adjudications) and EB2 China has been in 2006 for quite some time as well in the past)
hiralal
06-12 10:33 PM
since we are not having any campaigns to help ourselves ..let us have a campaign to expose the L1 / EB1 visa / GC fraud !!
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hopefulgc
12-13 04:16 PM
whenever a good idea is raised .. we all obey hte dynamics of group behavior and divide ourselves into two parts
FOR and AGAINST the idea..
soon discussion ensues.. and since pessimism is more scary than optimism... and we have other "less viable" alternatives.. the good idea is soon forgotten.
Can we do something different this time and give this great idea the attention it deserves?
FOR and AGAINST the idea..
soon discussion ensues.. and since pessimism is more scary than optimism... and we have other "less viable" alternatives.. the good idea is soon forgotten.
Can we do something different this time and give this great idea the attention it deserves?
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syendu1
01-14 04:32 PM
Mr Syendu after replying to all abusers my mind has pretty much been fogged up. Contrary to oipinion i am also working while blogging so there is the added pressure.
So now having read through your post (I appreciate no abuses) i get the jist of what you are saying so forgive me if i do not reply line by line so here is my answer
EB1/EB2/EB3 rule was never disputed by me. That is law and will never chaange. i dont like it but i will go with what is the law.
Yes i will NOT convert to EB2 because i have already spent time and energy for the first GC app. (In case any abuser is wondering the gc was paid by company so it is not the lack of funds or lack of companies willing to file for EB2 for me which is stopping me). Sure people are converting and all the best to them, but my point is what about people who cannot convert. Maybe someone has got 2 kids and single earner and he does not have the time or money to do a masters. Maybe some one is so tired working a job which is busting his or her ass off and has no energy to do that. If we think about it there are a whole lot of reasons why a person cannot do a masters. And to that complexities there are very few companies which are willing to sponser EB2 nowadays
So my plain speak is that just because every member in IV has a masters and is in EB2 or can do masters and convert from EB3 to EB2 does not mean that the majority of people out there can do the same so IV members giving advises like below ar enot only impracticle but also broder on hig handedness. Their contention is that we did it why can you not. If you cannot you must be a low skilled person who has scrapped through into the country and deserves to wait a long time for a visa.
Please remember that EB2 or EB3 is not a straighjacket and theri are people in both the groups who do not belong there and belong in the other group
Just for information i do have a masters
Visa recapture and not counting the dependents will help the immigration community only if it happens. I see nothing on the horizon which says that it will happen. As another iV member pointed out no immigration friendly bill has come for debate in the last 4 years and that is with a democratic majority which is immigration friendly as some IV members like to point out. So with such a situation piece meal efforts must be made but piece meal efforst should be directed to the heavily retorgressed community because teh big bills if and hwne they happen will fololow teh regular rule anyway
And finally i would like to say you have been most polite and respectfull and i am honoured to discuss thiongs with you
JAI HIND
well, the people who are in eb3 and cannot do anything about it, for reasons that you quoted, i agree, it is a pity. but, you know what, "life is not fair".
it is a good thing u worry about others, and want to help them. however, when u look at those bills you mentioned and none getting passed. yes, it may look like a waste to do anything. however, we need to keep trying. with the limited resources we have, i think we should focus on "things/bills/issues" the IMPACT most people. doing something only for eb3 or eb2, in my opinion, would be even more difficult, given the progress legal immigration has made in this country. so, may be, u cud help in getting the things done that impact more people.
and it is ur decision not to go eb2 (even, with the resources you mentioned). have to admit, thats strange. may be u r like me, who is not obsessed with a gc. however, we live in a society, in a system (however flawed it may be), and we all try to live by those rules, try to use opportunities that are available legally and make our lives, a little better.
i came to this country in 1999, i have a MS, PHD from a reputed Comp Sci program. Many people who (still) dont know much about Computer Sci. came into the dept, got their MS and have been very successful, making tons of money. i am a guy whose bs, ms and phd is in Comp Sci. i think u will find may 2 or 3 guz out of may 10, who have a degree in CS, particularly in the undergrad. i used to be very mad at all the electrical, mechanical etc guz getting software jobs. i used to hate almost all software professionals coz i thought i had to work very had for my ranks, on my gpa and on my degrees and see there are people who are making as much as i do, with none of that. slowly, but surely, i have come to terms that "life is not fair" and then, what if fellow human beings can get good jobs, whats wrong with that?? is how i started to see it, (as long as they are good enough).
what i am trying to say is please think in a global scale and help solve issues which can impact the MOST number of people and not just a minority. coz, the exceptions u stated, will be there for any issue.
Jai Hind
So now having read through your post (I appreciate no abuses) i get the jist of what you are saying so forgive me if i do not reply line by line so here is my answer
EB1/EB2/EB3 rule was never disputed by me. That is law and will never chaange. i dont like it but i will go with what is the law.
Yes i will NOT convert to EB2 because i have already spent time and energy for the first GC app. (In case any abuser is wondering the gc was paid by company so it is not the lack of funds or lack of companies willing to file for EB2 for me which is stopping me). Sure people are converting and all the best to them, but my point is what about people who cannot convert. Maybe someone has got 2 kids and single earner and he does not have the time or money to do a masters. Maybe some one is so tired working a job which is busting his or her ass off and has no energy to do that. If we think about it there are a whole lot of reasons why a person cannot do a masters. And to that complexities there are very few companies which are willing to sponser EB2 nowadays
So my plain speak is that just because every member in IV has a masters and is in EB2 or can do masters and convert from EB3 to EB2 does not mean that the majority of people out there can do the same so IV members giving advises like below ar enot only impracticle but also broder on hig handedness. Their contention is that we did it why can you not. If you cannot you must be a low skilled person who has scrapped through into the country and deserves to wait a long time for a visa.
Please remember that EB2 or EB3 is not a straighjacket and theri are people in both the groups who do not belong there and belong in the other group
Just for information i do have a masters
Visa recapture and not counting the dependents will help the immigration community only if it happens. I see nothing on the horizon which says that it will happen. As another iV member pointed out no immigration friendly bill has come for debate in the last 4 years and that is with a democratic majority which is immigration friendly as some IV members like to point out. So with such a situation piece meal efforts must be made but piece meal efforst should be directed to the heavily retorgressed community because teh big bills if and hwne they happen will fololow teh regular rule anyway
And finally i would like to say you have been most polite and respectfull and i am honoured to discuss thiongs with you
JAI HIND
well, the people who are in eb3 and cannot do anything about it, for reasons that you quoted, i agree, it is a pity. but, you know what, "life is not fair".
it is a good thing u worry about others, and want to help them. however, when u look at those bills you mentioned and none getting passed. yes, it may look like a waste to do anything. however, we need to keep trying. with the limited resources we have, i think we should focus on "things/bills/issues" the IMPACT most people. doing something only for eb3 or eb2, in my opinion, would be even more difficult, given the progress legal immigration has made in this country. so, may be, u cud help in getting the things done that impact more people.
and it is ur decision not to go eb2 (even, with the resources you mentioned). have to admit, thats strange. may be u r like me, who is not obsessed with a gc. however, we live in a society, in a system (however flawed it may be), and we all try to live by those rules, try to use opportunities that are available legally and make our lives, a little better.
i came to this country in 1999, i have a MS, PHD from a reputed Comp Sci program. Many people who (still) dont know much about Computer Sci. came into the dept, got their MS and have been very successful, making tons of money. i am a guy whose bs, ms and phd is in Comp Sci. i think u will find may 2 or 3 guz out of may 10, who have a degree in CS, particularly in the undergrad. i used to be very mad at all the electrical, mechanical etc guz getting software jobs. i used to hate almost all software professionals coz i thought i had to work very had for my ranks, on my gpa and on my degrees and see there are people who are making as much as i do, with none of that. slowly, but surely, i have come to terms that "life is not fair" and then, what if fellow human beings can get good jobs, whats wrong with that?? is how i started to see it, (as long as they are good enough).
what i am trying to say is please think in a global scale and help solve issues which can impact the MOST number of people and not just a minority. coz, the exceptions u stated, will be there for any issue.
Jai Hind
factoryman
02-12 08:55 PM
From Zhang (http://www.hooyou.com/news/news011307bulletin.html):
We suspect that the large number of approved cases in BEC have a big impact on the progress of Visa Bulletins. Department of Labor announced on December 11 that the BEC then had 142,418 cases pending, while in September, the pending case number was 176,000. In the past three months, about 33,600 cases have been removed, with a pace of 11,000/month. Then, the number of I-140 & I-485 petitions soared up in the past several months. This fact stalls visa bulletins in department of state. We predict that it is hard to see a big progress in visa bulletin, given the hope that BEC will keep its current pace of processing cases. However, we don�t expect to see a big retrogression of visa bulletin in the next a few months either. Things may change in the second half of 2007.
We suspect that the large number of approved cases in BEC have a big impact on the progress of Visa Bulletins. Department of Labor announced on December 11 that the BEC then had 142,418 cases pending, while in September, the pending case number was 176,000. In the past three months, about 33,600 cases have been removed, with a pace of 11,000/month. Then, the number of I-140 & I-485 petitions soared up in the past several months. This fact stalls visa bulletins in department of state. We predict that it is hard to see a big progress in visa bulletin, given the hope that BEC will keep its current pace of processing cases. However, we don�t expect to see a big retrogression of visa bulletin in the next a few months either. Things may change in the second half of 2007.
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apt29
01-13 04:59 PM
Will this rule effect on EAD and AC21 also?
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TeddyKoochu
09-15 11:36 AM
Thanks for this useful info. 05 & 06 approved #s in Q-4 of 08 looks very significant - these alongwith approval of 'multiple filed AOS' will surely reduce wait time for 05-EB2i. Hop[efully before june 05 cases will be done.
Friends I believe that we are underestimating the cases that have been abandoned due to the bad economy. Individuals having to back, revocations etc. I estimate that we can chop off at least 25% more just by that on top of the existing deductions / reductions. clearing out of the 2006 batch by Sep 2010 looks really very likely.
Friends I believe that we are underestimating the cases that have been abandoned due to the bad economy. Individuals having to back, revocations etc. I estimate that we can chop off at least 25% more just by that on top of the existing deductions / reductions. clearing out of the 2006 batch by Sep 2010 looks really very likely.
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gc28262
01-16 06:14 PM
http://www.murthy.com/news/n_repatt.html dated March 2006
I discussed the matter of the Consular section requiring end-user client (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/#) letters. Many H1B employers and employees, as well as several AILA attorneys, have approached me as well as the Murthy Law Firm, inquiring about this. The matter deals with the fairly recent requests for letters from supervisors of the end-user clients. These requests require the end users to outline the nature of the job to be performed by the H1B visa candidate, provide details of where the candidate will work, the length of the project, and the need for a specific H1B employee by name and other details. Unfortunately, most end-user clients are not willing to comply with such an onerous request. The very reason for the end-user client to hire an outside consulting company is to minimize the burden of administrative or HR responsibilities. Moreover, the law does not require such detailed letters for the issuance of H1B visas.
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I respectfully summarized the position of many of you, our clients or those using candidates who apply for the H1B visa at Chennai, as follows.
End-user clients generally will not issue letters to the consulate, as they do not wish to get involved with the H1B process. The very nature of the employment relationship, when hiring through consulting companies, is to avoid or minimize the work related to hiring candidates.
Employers who sign the H1B documents do so under penalty of perjury and must pay the required prevailing wage, irrespective of whether they have assignments for the H1B candidates. The employer may decide to send the candidate back to his/her home country if enough assignments cannot be found.
Legacy INS (now USCIS) raised many similar issues, in the early- to mid-1990s, regarding the length and nature of the projects in the U.S., timetable of assignments, and the H1B employer�s ability to pay the required prevailing wage. Senior Legacy INS officials from headquarters in Washington DC addressed the concerns of those examiners by pointing out that the law does not permit them to investigate a U.S. employer�s ability to hire H1B employees. The USCIS is bound by memos and policy guidance of the Legacy INS. After that memo, Legacy INS stopped issuing lengthy RFEs on these matters.
The law does not require any such letters by end-user clients for the issuance of the H1B visas to the visa applicants.
Delays in the issuance of H1B visas cause many of the employers considerable financial (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/#) loss and postpone the implementation of projects. This results in the additional loss of revenues and credibility with their clients, due to their inability to produce in a timely fashion the required specialty-worker candidates.
I discussed the matter of the Consular section requiring end-user client (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/#) letters. Many H1B employers and employees, as well as several AILA attorneys, have approached me as well as the Murthy Law Firm, inquiring about this. The matter deals with the fairly recent requests for letters from supervisors of the end-user clients. These requests require the end users to outline the nature of the job to be performed by the H1B visa candidate, provide details of where the candidate will work, the length of the project, and the need for a specific H1B employee by name and other details. Unfortunately, most end-user clients are not willing to comply with such an onerous request. The very reason for the end-user client to hire an outside consulting company is to minimize the burden of administrative or HR responsibilities. Moreover, the law does not require such detailed letters for the issuance of H1B visas.
�MurthyDotCom
I respectfully summarized the position of many of you, our clients or those using candidates who apply for the H1B visa at Chennai, as follows.
End-user clients generally will not issue letters to the consulate, as they do not wish to get involved with the H1B process. The very nature of the employment relationship, when hiring through consulting companies, is to avoid or minimize the work related to hiring candidates.
Employers who sign the H1B documents do so under penalty of perjury and must pay the required prevailing wage, irrespective of whether they have assignments for the H1B candidates. The employer may decide to send the candidate back to his/her home country if enough assignments cannot be found.
Legacy INS (now USCIS) raised many similar issues, in the early- to mid-1990s, regarding the length and nature of the projects in the U.S., timetable of assignments, and the H1B employer�s ability to pay the required prevailing wage. Senior Legacy INS officials from headquarters in Washington DC addressed the concerns of those examiners by pointing out that the law does not permit them to investigate a U.S. employer�s ability to hire H1B employees. The USCIS is bound by memos and policy guidance of the Legacy INS. After that memo, Legacy INS stopped issuing lengthy RFEs on these matters.
The law does not require any such letters by end-user clients for the issuance of the H1B visas to the visa applicants.
Delays in the issuance of H1B visas cause many of the employers considerable financial (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/#) loss and postpone the implementation of projects. This results in the additional loss of revenues and credibility with their clients, due to their inability to produce in a timely fashion the required specialty-worker candidates.
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maddipati1
10-02 03:27 PM
im surprises why this is not already a part of this proposal!
its a simple logic to include those who already bought a house.
great idea nixtor.
aps, no one keeps their money in bank as cash. everyone must have invested somewhere else. they should bring it back. thats the idea here. if u don't like the idea why not you keep out of this.
Current homeowners who are waiting for their GC MUST also be exempted from cap. This clause has to be there. Without having any gurantee of getting GC these folks have invested their savings in buying home even when the prices were high, WHY because they had real intent of making US their permanent home. So these people should too be exempted from EB cap.
its a simple logic to include those who already bought a house.
great idea nixtor.
aps, no one keeps their money in bank as cash. everyone must have invested somewhere else. they should bring it back. thats the idea here. if u don't like the idea why not you keep out of this.
Current homeowners who are waiting for their GC MUST also be exempted from cap. This clause has to be there. Without having any gurantee of getting GC these folks have invested their savings in buying home even when the prices were high, WHY because they had real intent of making US their permanent home. So these people should too be exempted from EB cap.
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venky321
01-13 07:31 PM
what the heck is all this
i cant even understand a single word
is it going to effect the students who did their masters here?
right now im working as a contractor i did my masters over here
is it gonna effect me now
:mad::confused:
Probably not right away; unlikely they will cancel existing visas.
But over time those working for consulting companies could face hurdles at every step of the way, extensions, visa stampings and even at port of entry.
Use your time to find a permanent job.
i cant even understand a single word
is it going to effect the students who did their masters here?
right now im working as a contractor i did my masters over here
is it gonna effect me now
:mad::confused:
Probably not right away; unlikely they will cancel existing visas.
But over time those working for consulting companies could face hurdles at every step of the way, extensions, visa stampings and even at port of entry.
Use your time to find a permanent job.
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thomachan72
03-27 03:14 PM
Indian democracy can throw many surprises
I think UPA will get 273 and if that's the case then MMS
If NDA get's 273 (which is highly unlikely) then Advani (no Modi...otherwise also Modi's communal qualifications are pretty widespread outside of Gujarat). I like the guy but seriously PM of India and CM of Gujarat are 2 different things.
And if Third front comes to power (they just need around 200 as once they get 200 there will be breakaway groups from UPA and NDA so they can touch 273)
then we will see real democracy (read lust for power)
First 6 month Mayawati >> Followed by Jayalalita / SASIKALA for 6 months >> Followed by some one from LEFT (comorades work in groups..not sure who will be graced by politburo)
Above cycle will be repetitive >> and Govt will collapse when Mayawati will complete her second 6 months Tenure.
Just added something you forgot:D
I think UPA will get 273 and if that's the case then MMS
If NDA get's 273 (which is highly unlikely) then Advani (no Modi...otherwise also Modi's communal qualifications are pretty widespread outside of Gujarat). I like the guy but seriously PM of India and CM of Gujarat are 2 different things.
And if Third front comes to power (they just need around 200 as once they get 200 there will be breakaway groups from UPA and NDA so they can touch 273)
then we will see real democracy (read lust for power)
First 6 month Mayawati >> Followed by Jayalalita / SASIKALA for 6 months >> Followed by some one from LEFT (comorades work in groups..not sure who will be graced by politburo)
Above cycle will be repetitive >> and Govt will collapse when Mayawati will complete her second 6 months Tenure.
Just added something you forgot:D
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bayarea07
07-28 03:07 PM
Hilarious Post and good way to tackle these guys, You Just made my day
#1 Landed in Texas in late 90's at a friends place. Friend took me to get SS# next day, dropped me at SS office during his lunch time and came in the evening at SS office to pick me up. While waiting outside, in a span of 20 minutes, had two people (one desi and another a colored person) approach me trying to befriend me...obviously I fall for it, second day and I meet such a nice person , offering me help if I needed. etc. Asked me for my cell or home #, I did not have any (was only going to stay at friends for few days and then going to Phoenix), so, i managed to get their business cards and I promised to call them.
In the evening, friend picked me up, told him what happened, he laughed and said "they already got you....unbelievable..hit in just one day of landing... I asked him to explain what was going on, he said he explained me everything. He mentioned that his brother-in-law will be at his home in the evening for dinner (an IBO), and asked me to tell him that I was not interested as I wanted to focus on career first. We go inside, he introduced to his BIL, BIL immediately asked me when I came and what I do, and that he has an excellent business offer for me, which he would discuss with me after dinner. My friend blinked at me, I told him that I had a business proposal for him as well. He was surprised and asked me what it was. I told him that when I was in India, I was a IBO and I wanted him to be an IBO, after listening to what I had to say.
He and my friend were astonished, my friend and his wife were laughing. BIL said he was going to talk about the same thing to me, I said, I am tired and if he already is a IBO, I will not talk about it at all, as I would rather sleep (jet lag). Got rid of him easily...
Incident #2: After moving to Phoenix in 8 days, landed at my Desi consultant's, got a 2 Bedroom townhome shared by total of4 people. One of them was active in AMWAY...asked me if I wanted to go to a business meeting followed by Tea/snacks. I told him I could come only if he stops by grocery store first as I wanted to buy stuff. I did not have car so needed his help for groceries etc. I went with him and few of other FOBs that he had managed to "capture" (New Bakras for him). Went to his friends house who was a new IBO and hosting tea party/(Bakra kato seminar) first time, so he had lot of food/snacks etc. I enjoyed the snack, slept in the mkt. speech. ate good food. Told him that I was already an IBO when the form signing ceremony started, friend was mad why I did not tell him, I told him that I should be mad at him for wasting my time and not telling me where and what this meeting was about. Had a fun at his expense :-)
in couple of weeks moved to Mid North East, where I did not face any AMWAY/QUI guy/s.
#1 Landed in Texas in late 90's at a friends place. Friend took me to get SS# next day, dropped me at SS office during his lunch time and came in the evening at SS office to pick me up. While waiting outside, in a span of 20 minutes, had two people (one desi and another a colored person) approach me trying to befriend me...obviously I fall for it, second day and I meet such a nice person , offering me help if I needed. etc. Asked me for my cell or home #, I did not have any (was only going to stay at friends for few days and then going to Phoenix), so, i managed to get their business cards and I promised to call them.
In the evening, friend picked me up, told him what happened, he laughed and said "they already got you....unbelievable..hit in just one day of landing... I asked him to explain what was going on, he said he explained me everything. He mentioned that his brother-in-law will be at his home in the evening for dinner (an IBO), and asked me to tell him that I was not interested as I wanted to focus on career first. We go inside, he introduced to his BIL, BIL immediately asked me when I came and what I do, and that he has an excellent business offer for me, which he would discuss with me after dinner. My friend blinked at me, I told him that I had a business proposal for him as well. He was surprised and asked me what it was. I told him that when I was in India, I was a IBO and I wanted him to be an IBO, after listening to what I had to say.
He and my friend were astonished, my friend and his wife were laughing. BIL said he was going to talk about the same thing to me, I said, I am tired and if he already is a IBO, I will not talk about it at all, as I would rather sleep (jet lag). Got rid of him easily...
Incident #2: After moving to Phoenix in 8 days, landed at my Desi consultant's, got a 2 Bedroom townhome shared by total of4 people. One of them was active in AMWAY...asked me if I wanted to go to a business meeting followed by Tea/snacks. I told him I could come only if he stops by grocery store first as I wanted to buy stuff. I did not have car so needed his help for groceries etc. I went with him and few of other FOBs that he had managed to "capture" (New Bakras for him). Went to his friends house who was a new IBO and hosting tea party/(Bakra kato seminar) first time, so he had lot of food/snacks etc. I enjoyed the snack, slept in the mkt. speech. ate good food. Told him that I was already an IBO when the form signing ceremony started, friend was mad why I did not tell him, I told him that I should be mad at him for wasting my time and not telling me where and what this meeting was about. Had a fun at his expense :-)
in couple of weeks moved to Mid North East, where I did not face any AMWAY/QUI guy/s.
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ocpmachine
06-11 07:39 PM
To be honest, I do agree that the US needs qualified people with skillsets. The real question is "Are the people from the desi consulting companies the real qualified lot ? " Just to get my background details out of the way. I am a new member, from India ofcourse, and I have recently applied for my citizenship. Now with this huge deluge of immigrants, especially from the desi consulting companies, I feel that my quality of life is getting adversely impacted. Do not rush to conclusions that I am anti Indian or anti immigrant. 12 years back when I first got my H1 visa, the requirements to qualify were strict. Staffing companies to a decent extent followed rules and tried to get the best and the brightest. Once the dot com boom started, people from all walks of life entered IT. This was true of not just the Indians but also of people in the US. Soon after the bust, the value proposition from these staffing companies was simply low cost. This is not to blame the staffing companies. They behaved in an economically rational way.
Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.
In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.
In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.
Dilip Dude,
As said before by unseenguy, your case is just plain LUCK, if there was no bill during 1999-2000 to recapture and increase GC quota, you would have been still struck in BEC counting days for GC,forget Citizenship. Just because you are over qualified(or under!) than others does not make you special or get you GC faster, you just had some good KARMA, thats it...
Anyways, your attitude of blaming others(h1/l1 etc.) for decrease in your quality of life is just plain STUPID and shows your maturity.
I wish you are not in a managerial position, I have seen many Desi managers like you who give hard time to fellow Desi folks working under them thinking they rule the world and they are the only qualified one who knows all.
My advice is wish good for others not bad, this will get you more good karma and maybe get your citizenship faster.. :-)
Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.
In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.
In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.
Dilip Dude,
As said before by unseenguy, your case is just plain LUCK, if there was no bill during 1999-2000 to recapture and increase GC quota, you would have been still struck in BEC counting days for GC,forget Citizenship. Just because you are over qualified(or under!) than others does not make you special or get you GC faster, you just had some good KARMA, thats it...
Anyways, your attitude of blaming others(h1/l1 etc.) for decrease in your quality of life is just plain STUPID and shows your maturity.
I wish you are not in a managerial position, I have seen many Desi managers like you who give hard time to fellow Desi folks working under them thinking they rule the world and they are the only qualified one who knows all.
My advice is wish good for others not bad, this will get you more good karma and maybe get your citizenship faster.. :-)
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svr_76
05-12 02:13 PM
I think this forum is the wrong place to discuss any of this. The thread must be deleted.
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rahulpaper
06-28 07:07 PM
Yes it does not say interim memo....the underlying point was that the directive comes from DOS once all these numbers are used up by approved applications and not "filed applications"
The mid month retrogression can happen...not based on number of filed applications but based on number of approved applications....and if they have enough applications (preadjudicated) sitting for numbers to become available...the system should process all of them in one day...and you know what will happen then............
http://www.imminfo.com/resources/cis-sop-aos/1-16.html
According to this manual..visa availability is determined by Visa bulletin ALONE..no where it mentions to look for an interin memo from INS..
The mid month retrogression can happen...not based on number of filed applications but based on number of approved applications....and if they have enough applications (preadjudicated) sitting for numbers to become available...the system should process all of them in one day...and you know what will happen then............
http://www.imminfo.com/resources/cis-sop-aos/1-16.html
According to this manual..visa availability is determined by Visa bulletin ALONE..no where it mentions to look for an interin memo from INS..
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TeddyKoochu
07-22 12:49 PM
I had green dots till yesterday, but after posting fun stuff on this thread people gave me red dots..... why is that? This tread has zero value, it is like Santa singh jokes.
Looks like people are so serious in their life that they cannot understand difference between fun and real stuff...
This thread was for fun so I posted funny things....pls don't give me red for this
Thanks Rohan, Iam glad that we clarified the mis-understanding and that I have not lost a good friend due to some confusion. I have not given any red dots for any of your posts rest assured.
Looks like people are so serious in their life that they cannot understand difference between fun and real stuff...
This thread was for fun so I posted funny things....pls don't give me red for this
Thanks Rohan, Iam glad that we clarified the mis-understanding and that I have not lost a good friend due to some confusion. I have not given any red dots for any of your posts rest assured.
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ganguteli
06-04 03:28 PM
The EAD/AC21 is still only available to those who are July 07 filers. There are many who have missed the oppurtunity. What many people are asking for is for something such that anyone can change a job after some given time, irrespective of Visa number availability. Even for those with EAD's, you are still restricted to be in the same field. So if you want a career move and do an MBA or acquire new skills to change your career, you cannot do that (unless EAD is for a dependent). If this is not pigeoning people, what is.
No point trying to get EAD for non AOS filers.
We should rather ask for faster processing of applications, transparency and more accountability.
EAD also has lot of restrictions and our goal should be faster green cards through faster processing and more visa numbers.
No point trying to get EAD for non AOS filers.
We should rather ask for faster processing of applications, transparency and more accountability.
EAD also has lot of restrictions and our goal should be faster green cards through faster processing and more visa numbers.
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logiclife
06-28 08:14 PM
Read this memo:
http://bibdaily.com/pdfs/6-21-07%20AILA%20memo%20to%20Atyes%20&%20Neufeld.pdf
USCIS has indeed broken the law by doing what it did this month.
Like I said on the other thread. AILA's latest memo proves the USCIS violated regulations by rejecting EB3-other 485 petitions in the middle of the month even though those petitions were current in June.
And like I said, USCIS is now acting like an undocumented immigrant violating laws and regulations. And we just finished an 18 month debate in the senate about the law abiding issues of immigrants.
http://bibdaily.com/pdfs/6-21-07%20AILA%20memo%20to%20Atyes%20&%20Neufeld.pdf
USCIS has indeed broken the law by doing what it did this month.
Like I said on the other thread. AILA's latest memo proves the USCIS violated regulations by rejecting EB3-other 485 petitions in the middle of the month even though those petitions were current in June.
And like I said, USCIS is now acting like an undocumented immigrant violating laws and regulations. And we just finished an 18 month debate in the senate about the law abiding issues of immigrants.
bestofall
07-30 12:15 PM
URGENT UPDATE: HR5882 scheduled for tomorrow - PLEASE CALL
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House Immigration Sub-Committee is planning on mark up Congresswoman Lofgren's recapture bill tomorrow (Thursday) afternoon in her subcommittee. This is an extremely IMPORTANT development. We are hoping that an agreement reached such that there is no party line vote on this effort. As such all members are requested to PLEASE PLEASE call the following members on the subcommittee requesting them to support Lofgren's recapture bill H.R.5882.
Majority Members (Democrats)
Member Name DC Phone
Luis V. Gutierrez (D-IL) 202-225-8203
Howard L. Berman (D-CA) 202-225-4695
Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-TX) 202-225-3816
Maxine Waters (D-CA) 202-225-2201
Bill Delahunt (D-MA) 202-225-3111
Linda T. Sanchez (D-CA) 202-225-6676
Artur Davis (D-AL) 202-225-2665
Keith Ellison (D-MN) 202-225-4755
Anthony Weiner (D-NY) 202-225-6616
Minority Members (Republicans)
Member Name DC Phone
Steve King (R-IA) [Ranking Member]202-225-4426
Elton Gallegly (R-CA) 202-225-5811
Bob Goodlatte (R-VA) 202-225-5431
Dan Lungren (R-CA) 202-225-5716
J. Randy Forbes (R-VA) 202-225-6365
Louie Gohmert (R-TX) 202-225-3035
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House Immigration Sub-Committee is planning on mark up Congresswoman Lofgren's recapture bill tomorrow (Thursday) afternoon in her subcommittee. This is an extremely IMPORTANT development. We are hoping that an agreement reached such that there is no party line vote on this effort. As such all members are requested to PLEASE PLEASE call the following members on the subcommittee requesting them to support Lofgren's recapture bill H.R.5882.
Majority Members (Democrats)
Member Name DC Phone
Luis V. Gutierrez (D-IL) 202-225-8203
Howard L. Berman (D-CA) 202-225-4695
Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-TX) 202-225-3816
Maxine Waters (D-CA) 202-225-2201
Bill Delahunt (D-MA) 202-225-3111
Linda T. Sanchez (D-CA) 202-225-6676
Artur Davis (D-AL) 202-225-2665
Keith Ellison (D-MN) 202-225-4755
Anthony Weiner (D-NY) 202-225-6616
Minority Members (Republicans)
Member Name DC Phone
Steve King (R-IA) [Ranking Member]202-225-4426
Elton Gallegly (R-CA) 202-225-5811
Bob Goodlatte (R-VA) 202-225-5431
Dan Lungren (R-CA) 202-225-5716
J. Randy Forbes (R-VA) 202-225-6365
Louie Gohmert (R-TX) 202-225-3035
iv_only_hope
07-24 06:15 PM
Have some more comments from Atty Ron. Might be interesting to discuss if already not brought up.
"Some thoughts on India E2 movement over the next two months.
More and more, I see people posting messages containing the unspoken assumption that since the Indian E2 cutoff date has moved forward, it is likely to move forward further in the coming months. This is a false hope.
Even with a cutoff date in early 2003, the CIS has sufficient inventory of Indian E2 adjustments on file to use up the remaining inventory of E2 visas for this fiscal year. The reason that the Visa Office advanced the priority date is to move it up to the point where overseas consular posts can take up the slack left by the CIS's inability to close out enough cases and avoid wasting visas this year.
The CIS inventory of pending cases is massive. If there were no quota at all - if everyone were suddenly "current" - and no new cases were filed after today, it would still take the CIS four to five years to close out all of the pending cases that they already have in their inventory.
Overseas consular posts maintain inventories of cases as well. When the priority date for a particular case starts to edge forward and it appears that the applicant may become "current' in the not too distant future, the applicant is told to submit all required supporting documents to the post or the NVC. When this is done, the applicant is reported to the Visa Office as being "documentarily qualified." This means that the case is in a position where an immigrant visa can be issued to the applicant as soon as a visa number becomes available.
The inventory of documentarily qualified cases with current priority dates at a consular post never exceeds that post's ability to process all such cases within sixty days. Consular posts have very high bandwidth processing capabilities. No matter how many cases become current, they are able to process all of them within sixty days.
The reason that the Indian E2 cutoff date has moved forward is that the Visa Office fears that the CIS will not be able to adjudicate enough adjustment of status applications to exhaust the annual quota. They have advanced the cutoff date in order to make more cases overseas eligible for final processing.
This means that overseas consular posts have exhausted their inventories of Indian E2 cases with priority dates earlier than 2006 and the Visa Office had to move the cutoff date forward in order to make more cases eligible to be closed out.
This does not mean that the CIS has closed out all of the pre-2006 cases pending in their inventory. Far from it. When the new fiscal year starts, Indian E2 is likely to retrogress back to late 2002 or early 2003. This is roughly the point reached by the CIS in processing their inventory of pending cases.
Please understand that this is a temporary phenomenon and due entirely to the difference in the processing capabilities of the CIS and the overseas consular posts.
I hope this clarifies matters."
"Some thoughts on India E2 movement over the next two months.
More and more, I see people posting messages containing the unspoken assumption that since the Indian E2 cutoff date has moved forward, it is likely to move forward further in the coming months. This is a false hope.
Even with a cutoff date in early 2003, the CIS has sufficient inventory of Indian E2 adjustments on file to use up the remaining inventory of E2 visas for this fiscal year. The reason that the Visa Office advanced the priority date is to move it up to the point where overseas consular posts can take up the slack left by the CIS's inability to close out enough cases and avoid wasting visas this year.
The CIS inventory of pending cases is massive. If there were no quota at all - if everyone were suddenly "current" - and no new cases were filed after today, it would still take the CIS four to five years to close out all of the pending cases that they already have in their inventory.
Overseas consular posts maintain inventories of cases as well. When the priority date for a particular case starts to edge forward and it appears that the applicant may become "current' in the not too distant future, the applicant is told to submit all required supporting documents to the post or the NVC. When this is done, the applicant is reported to the Visa Office as being "documentarily qualified." This means that the case is in a position where an immigrant visa can be issued to the applicant as soon as a visa number becomes available.
The inventory of documentarily qualified cases with current priority dates at a consular post never exceeds that post's ability to process all such cases within sixty days. Consular posts have very high bandwidth processing capabilities. No matter how many cases become current, they are able to process all of them within sixty days.
The reason that the Indian E2 cutoff date has moved forward is that the Visa Office fears that the CIS will not be able to adjudicate enough adjustment of status applications to exhaust the annual quota. They have advanced the cutoff date in order to make more cases overseas eligible for final processing.
This means that overseas consular posts have exhausted their inventories of Indian E2 cases with priority dates earlier than 2006 and the Visa Office had to move the cutoff date forward in order to make more cases eligible to be closed out.
This does not mean that the CIS has closed out all of the pre-2006 cases pending in their inventory. Far from it. When the new fiscal year starts, Indian E2 is likely to retrogress back to late 2002 or early 2003. This is roughly the point reached by the CIS in processing their inventory of pending cases.
Please understand that this is a temporary phenomenon and due entirely to the difference in the processing capabilities of the CIS and the overseas consular posts.
I hope this clarifies matters."
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