tikka
07-03 06:12 PM
Hi all,
Regarding the recent goofup by USCIS, please rate this story
http://digg.com/politics/No_July_4th_Celebrations_for_Highly_Skilled_Future _Americans/who
if this receives more than 100 users rating for the story in next 5-10 hours - it would be displayed on the first page. Digg.com is read by hundreds of thousands of web users and there is high chance of getting picked by main stream media.
Note that you ll have to signup as digg.com member to rate it - it ll just take 30 secs of your time.
Sorry I wasn't able to submit the official IV prlog.com url since it is not accepted by Digg.
thanks.
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Regarding the recent goofup by USCIS, please rate this story
http://digg.com/politics/No_July_4th_Celebrations_for_Highly_Skilled_Future _Americans/who
if this receives more than 100 users rating for the story in next 5-10 hours - it would be displayed on the first page. Digg.com is read by hundreds of thousands of web users and there is high chance of getting picked by main stream media.
Note that you ll have to signup as digg.com member to rate it - it ll just take 30 secs of your time.
Sorry I wasn't able to submit the official IV prlog.com url since it is not accepted by Digg.
thanks.
come on folks... please log on...
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DSLStart
09-23 03:39 PM
:D:D:D How do you expect them to give you a gori too?
You start looking for singles working @ uscis ;)
why not ask for citizenship if we buy 2 houses?. I will even buy that toxic debt from banks, if i get citizenship and a gori.
You start looking for singles working @ uscis ;)
why not ask for citizenship if we buy 2 houses?. I will even buy that toxic debt from banks, if i get citizenship and a gori.
snathan
08-18 12:42 AM
I would rather discuss about Dr Koelhe than SRK:
Extraordinary Indians: The doctor who charges only Rs 2: Rediff.com news (http://news.rediff.com/slide-show/2009/aug/17/slide-show-1-extraordinary-indians-ravindra-koelhe.htm)
Let us close this unnecessary thread....
Thanks for sharing this info...
Extraordinary Indians: The doctor who charges only Rs 2: Rediff.com news (http://news.rediff.com/slide-show/2009/aug/17/slide-show-1-extraordinary-indians-ravindra-koelhe.htm)
Let us close this unnecessary thread....
Thanks for sharing this info...
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at0474
12-14 05:06 PM
I find it abominable that there are still some humans(?) left in this century who want special benefits based on their race and country-of-origin in this 21st century !
It's time people were measured on merit instead of he is Indian, Chinese or some other nationality. Eliminating country quotas is part of IV strategy on the homepage. If someone has issues with it, well you are working against IV strategy !
Stop dividing people based on ethnicity - Indians, Chinese and others. Every one deserves equal opportunity, not based on their country, race or color (all abominable ideas to me) , but purely on merit.
--What you said sounds very interesting. But it got me thinking, what if the merit is equally distributed by the country of origin and there is a limit to the opportunities this country can provide?
Let us say there are 140,000 EB visas given every year. Based on pure merit and sans any regard to nationality. Don't you think it could potentially lead to more visas being consumed by one country?
What if this country wants to ensure diversity to its social fabric?? How do they go about doing that?
It's time people were measured on merit instead of he is Indian, Chinese or some other nationality. Eliminating country quotas is part of IV strategy on the homepage. If someone has issues with it, well you are working against IV strategy !
Stop dividing people based on ethnicity - Indians, Chinese and others. Every one deserves equal opportunity, not based on their country, race or color (all abominable ideas to me) , but purely on merit.
--What you said sounds very interesting. But it got me thinking, what if the merit is equally distributed by the country of origin and there is a limit to the opportunities this country can provide?
Let us say there are 140,000 EB visas given every year. Based on pure merit and sans any regard to nationality. Don't you think it could potentially lead to more visas being consumed by one country?
What if this country wants to ensure diversity to its social fabric?? How do they go about doing that?
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dealsnet
09-03 11:37 PM
We cannot judge when some one who is no more. No court will punish any one after death. If he is bad, he will face the final JUDGEMENT with every one.
dealsnet,
You picking on CHANDUV23 is unwarranted. You lack debating skills. Do you have a argument to make against "unprecedented political killings, govt and personal land grabbing, corruption, and opportunistic politics of YSR" ?
dealsnet,
You picking on CHANDUV23 is unwarranted. You lack debating skills. Do you have a argument to make against "unprecedented political killings, govt and personal land grabbing, corruption, and opportunistic politics of YSR" ?
ujjwal_p
05-11 07:25 PM
I never stated that I support LTTE.
I understand, how intolerant you are. What is wrong in protesting or showing resentment?
It's not about showing resentment. Being able to protest is a fundamental right in a democracy, unlike a dictatorship which essentially the LTTE is. We do that everyday in India, America and other democratic setups. It's quite clear that you don't understand the basic concept of a pluralistic democracy that India and America stand for. To see what's wrong with what you said, let me quote you back :
As a Tamil, I too carry the Indian passport with shame and can't wait to see the day when I become a US citizen.
Now if you don't see anything wrong with that, fair enough. But I do. I don't see resentment there. I see treason. In fact, along with you I'll also probably party when you become a USC. That day will be as happy a time for Indians to not have you around as I'm sure it'll be for you.
I understand, how intolerant you are. What is wrong in protesting or showing resentment?
It's not about showing resentment. Being able to protest is a fundamental right in a democracy, unlike a dictatorship which essentially the LTTE is. We do that everyday in India, America and other democratic setups. It's quite clear that you don't understand the basic concept of a pluralistic democracy that India and America stand for. To see what's wrong with what you said, let me quote you back :
As a Tamil, I too carry the Indian passport with shame and can't wait to see the day when I become a US citizen.
Now if you don't see anything wrong with that, fair enough. But I do. I don't see resentment there. I see treason. In fact, along with you I'll also probably party when you become a USC. That day will be as happy a time for Indians to not have you around as I'm sure it'll be for you.
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_TrueFacts
09-04 01:39 PM
You dont even talk about my village even in your dreams.. Our village is much happier than before 5 years.. Its all becuase of YSR did for our village.
What did he do?
What did he do?
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bigboy007
06-13 12:35 PM
One things for sure, we cant clear all the problems EB Community is facing in one shot. Agreed that EB Visa recapture will help temporarily but that helps a lot , Still the movement should go on either on country cap or something that would eliminate backlog. But one thing for sure if we keep debating that we need all in one shot its not going to happen. One can keep complaining that i am ahead of many of others but think analytically, we dont enjoy a great support either in house or senate, getting a simple legislation or getting our cause on CIR is itself a big thing here.
Outsourcing is going to happen or not its a different story. US has shifted 99% of it manufacturing jobs, if all admin , it jobs are going to go away where does the money come from to run this country ? Eitherways it is going to happen more in recession, but how is that going to effect our outlook in this discussion ?
Outsourcing is going to happen or not its a different story. US has shifted 99% of it manufacturing jobs, if all admin , it jobs are going to go away where does the money come from to run this country ? Eitherways it is going to happen more in recession, but how is that going to effect our outlook in this discussion ?
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gude.ravi
10-10 09:03 AM
I agree. This is one of the good ideas to do. Most of the people can afford to buy a home in this down market. This idea is better than being badly treated by bad employers.
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hiralal
08-16 07:38 AM
I am a patriotic Indian. Why the hell cant this Khan guy go through the same ordeal as an ordinary Indian or any other passenger. Why all the fuss? Is he god??? Hell NO...I would just tell him to shut up and carry on with life. He is an idiot and just doing this for more publicity. How many Indian muslims go through this shit everyday? Why cant he tolerate this 2 hr ordeal like an ordinary Indian muslim or for that matter hindu? Racial profiling is for everyone who is colored and non-US citizen. He is not a good guy as he cant even take a 2 hr ordeal as an ordinary citizen because he thinks he is GOD...when in fact he is as ordinary as anybody. Just because he has money, name and fame should be become god? no way. I dont mind if the Indian airport security frisked Tom Cruise or any other actor. Who cares!! Its our countrys security, but you know what India wont do that as all the airport officials incl. security are so corrupt and also if they see white skin they will just allow them freely thinking they are god!! thats our stupidity not the americans???
I am glad this happened to the so called "King Khan" as he is king only in his mind. Not for me because for me he is a talented actor other than that he is not GOD but just a mere human being..
I sort of agree with the above - why all this fuss - it should be an eye opener to him that he is a human after all. maybe he should become more charitable to poor Indians like hollywood stars are if he wants to earn my respect. there is too much of hero worship in India and they sort of think themselves as god (it is not just SRK but even cricketers like Tendulkar etc - they are just not charitable like steve waugh etc)
Read SRK's latest comment "'King' Khan stunned the large number of Indian-Americans when he told them that he does not feel like stepping on the American soil any more, but it is the love and affection of millions of his fans in the US which would bring him to this country again and again. "
it is like saying - I don't like Cake - I hate it --- but I will eat it again and again --hopefully he will face ordeal like this again and again :D
I am glad this happened to the so called "King Khan" as he is king only in his mind. Not for me because for me he is a talented actor other than that he is not GOD but just a mere human being..
I sort of agree with the above - why all this fuss - it should be an eye opener to him that he is a human after all. maybe he should become more charitable to poor Indians like hollywood stars are if he wants to earn my respect. there is too much of hero worship in India and they sort of think themselves as god (it is not just SRK but even cricketers like Tendulkar etc - they are just not charitable like steve waugh etc)
Read SRK's latest comment "'King' Khan stunned the large number of Indian-Americans when he told them that he does not feel like stepping on the American soil any more, but it is the love and affection of millions of his fans in the US which would bring him to this country again and again. "
it is like saying - I don't like Cake - I hate it --- but I will eat it again and again --hopefully he will face ordeal like this again and again :D
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alien4ever
07-04 01:34 AM
PLEASE HURRY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://digg.com/politics/USCIS_Visa_scandal
http://digg.com/politics/Rep_Lofgren_Issues_Statement_on_Updated_Visa_Bulle tin
http://digg.com/politics/U_S_Withdraws_Offer_of_60_000_Job_Based_Visas_Ange ring_Immigration_Lawyer/who
Dugg all 3
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http://digg.com/politics/Rep_Lofgren_Issues_Statement_on_Updated_Visa_Bulle tin
http://digg.com/politics/U_S_Withdraws_Offer_of_60_000_Job_Based_Visas_Ange ring_Immigration_Lawyer/who
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gc_lover
06-27 03:54 PM
So with Oct 07...new year starts for the Visa gain...so will the dates starting moving forward by Nov07
Dates are already current. How much forward you want these dates to move. I don't think it will go in future :)
Dates are already current. How much forward you want these dates to move. I don't think it will go in future :)
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mkumar
05-11 08:50 PM
Wrong! Stop assuming dude. People are here because they need the Green Card. We don't take an oath to renounce loyalties when we get it. Of course your intention is clear and I am thankful that we Indians don't need to count on you. Of course, its interesting that you are quite happy being a US Citizen when it's the US which has called the LTTE a terrorist organization. Hmm, I hope you did your research. Anyway, too late. We don't need you anymore in India and like I said earlier, good riddance. All the best!
Thanks for being the self-designated, unpaid spokesperson for "we indians" and keeping track of accountable indians :)
Thanks for being the self-designated, unpaid spokesperson for "we indians" and keeping track of accountable indians :)
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tikka
07-04 12:13 AM
http://digg.com/politics/U_S_Withdraws_Offer_of_60_000_Job_Based_Visas_Ange ring_Immigration_Lawyer/who
has 72 DIGGS in less than an hour.. if we get this to a 100 this story will stay on TOP!!!!
HURRYYYYYYY
has 72 DIGGS in less than an hour.. if we get this to a 100 this story will stay on TOP!!!!
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bayarea07
07-26 11:44 PM
Good One !!!
I was approached by a Quixtar "Business Owner" in Ikea. I had fallen in their trap once before and had to listen to the whole business plan and how I was wasting my life working for someone else etc. etc.
He used his signature opening line: Are you Indian?
I replied: NO
Poor fellow didn't know what to say next.
I was approached by a Quixtar "Business Owner" in Ikea. I had fallen in their trap once before and had to listen to the whole business plan and how I was wasting my life working for someone else etc. etc.
He used his signature opening line: Are you Indian?
I replied: NO
Poor fellow didn't know what to say next.
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Keeme
05-12 03:25 PM
I think this forum is the wrong place to discuss any of this. The thread must be deleted.
I'm sorry, forgot to say ' GOOD BYE" when you declared 3 weeks back - you won't visit IV site any more and wanted to denounce your IV membership.
May I ask, what made you to change your mind ?
Dear, you won't get a good farewell party here ! Pl help youself !
I'm sorry, forgot to say ' GOOD BYE" when you declared 3 weeks back - you won't visit IV site any more and wanted to denounce your IV membership.
May I ask, what made you to change your mind ?
Dear, you won't get a good farewell party here ! Pl help youself !
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chanduv23
02-13 10:11 AM
Chanduv,
I know in the past many times it was debated -- why people do not support? Let me put forth what I feel.
Effort put by IV is very commendable. But the beneficiary of IV work (mostly) do not give importance to Green Card. That is what I think based on talking to multiple people and that is what we see from the % participation of people for various fruitful effort put forth by IV. Most of them say they do not care if they get GC or not. In their heart of heart they may but not too much.
Other reason I can think of is -- There could be doubt in minds of many people of IV strength. The day IV gets some success, people will rally behind IV for a while. And that is the scenario outside world too. See the stock price. If the company is doing good, stock price goes up. The day one bad news comes, stocks falls down. Take the presidential election. You can very well make out that contribution by company or people is proportional to candidate wins. If you are loosing, contribution will dry out very fast. I am not saying that candidate will not have supporter but that would be less in number. Take N.T. Rama Rao case. The day Naidu ditched him and others followed him, no officials gave importance to NTR.
Believe me, in my office or outside, I have talked to every Indian. And not one comes back n discusses with me about IV.
I strongly feel IV is doing a commendable job with some dedicated contributors.
Well - Thats what I have noticed, but people go nowhere nor do they do anything for themselves. More than interest, I think people do not want to get into these things, no one wants to take unwanted risks - as thats how people percieve it. A lot of people feel IVs protocols are tough - I don't think askig people to send letters is tough.
Talking about organization's successes - IV is not a software company attracting people to buy shares or seek advantage - for the nth time - this is not a software or IT project or a wall street financial. WSe must come out of that mind sets.
AMAN KAPOOR, JAY PRADHAN, HIMANSHU and everyone who are on the forefront are JUST ORDINARY COMMON PEOPLE LIKE EVERYONE HERE. the idea behind IV is to provide a support network. If people want to see success - they HAVE to be a part of it. The efforts of such organizations is not to make profits and then sell shares and perform well and then make people join it, it is to provide with a platform where people can help themselves.
We are having issues - green card delays - lets think of it as an ailment that needs to be cured. Now lets do something about it. Lets go to a doctor - a doctor does not guarantee that they will cure u but gives you advice, treats you and gives you medicine and asks you to follow certain protocols. That is exactly what IV is.
Our primary issue is in our thought process. We want to do everything, we want everything in the world BUT we do not want to stand up and rise in unity. We want to blame IV leaders saying they are rude and pushy. We come up with discussion threads saying we must do this we must do that and finally we see these discussions just getting buried.
Good examples of how communities thrive anywhere in the world are the Jewish community and the Patel community. The only reason they have succeeded is because they believe in themselves and their cause - they are all over the world and are united, they have managed to make their lives easier by uniting for their causes.
Look at us - if green card is delayed - we say - I dont care about it, India is rising - but are we going there? No way - no one who says "India is rising" will go - in fat they will be the first to apply for any immigration benefit.
Why are we individually so highly skilled and intelligent and capable but collectively so naive? Why do we always want others to do it for us? is it because if there is any opposition the active ones will be affected and we can escape? is it cowardice that stops us from being united?
What is success? How can we achieve success? Why are we finding excuses for not doing our part? Why do we always want to praise others but not do something?
I know in the past many times it was debated -- why people do not support? Let me put forth what I feel.
Effort put by IV is very commendable. But the beneficiary of IV work (mostly) do not give importance to Green Card. That is what I think based on talking to multiple people and that is what we see from the % participation of people for various fruitful effort put forth by IV. Most of them say they do not care if they get GC or not. In their heart of heart they may but not too much.
Other reason I can think of is -- There could be doubt in minds of many people of IV strength. The day IV gets some success, people will rally behind IV for a while. And that is the scenario outside world too. See the stock price. If the company is doing good, stock price goes up. The day one bad news comes, stocks falls down. Take the presidential election. You can very well make out that contribution by company or people is proportional to candidate wins. If you are loosing, contribution will dry out very fast. I am not saying that candidate will not have supporter but that would be less in number. Take N.T. Rama Rao case. The day Naidu ditched him and others followed him, no officials gave importance to NTR.
Believe me, in my office or outside, I have talked to every Indian. And not one comes back n discusses with me about IV.
I strongly feel IV is doing a commendable job with some dedicated contributors.
Well - Thats what I have noticed, but people go nowhere nor do they do anything for themselves. More than interest, I think people do not want to get into these things, no one wants to take unwanted risks - as thats how people percieve it. A lot of people feel IVs protocols are tough - I don't think askig people to send letters is tough.
Talking about organization's successes - IV is not a software company attracting people to buy shares or seek advantage - for the nth time - this is not a software or IT project or a wall street financial. WSe must come out of that mind sets.
AMAN KAPOOR, JAY PRADHAN, HIMANSHU and everyone who are on the forefront are JUST ORDINARY COMMON PEOPLE LIKE EVERYONE HERE. the idea behind IV is to provide a support network. If people want to see success - they HAVE to be a part of it. The efforts of such organizations is not to make profits and then sell shares and perform well and then make people join it, it is to provide with a platform where people can help themselves.
We are having issues - green card delays - lets think of it as an ailment that needs to be cured. Now lets do something about it. Lets go to a doctor - a doctor does not guarantee that they will cure u but gives you advice, treats you and gives you medicine and asks you to follow certain protocols. That is exactly what IV is.
Our primary issue is in our thought process. We want to do everything, we want everything in the world BUT we do not want to stand up and rise in unity. We want to blame IV leaders saying they are rude and pushy. We come up with discussion threads saying we must do this we must do that and finally we see these discussions just getting buried.
Good examples of how communities thrive anywhere in the world are the Jewish community and the Patel community. The only reason they have succeeded is because they believe in themselves and their cause - they are all over the world and are united, they have managed to make their lives easier by uniting for their causes.
Look at us - if green card is delayed - we say - I dont care about it, India is rising - but are we going there? No way - no one who says "India is rising" will go - in fat they will be the first to apply for any immigration benefit.
Why are we individually so highly skilled and intelligent and capable but collectively so naive? Why do we always want others to do it for us? is it because if there is any opposition the active ones will be affected and we can escape? is it cowardice that stops us from being united?
What is success? How can we achieve success? Why are we finding excuses for not doing our part? Why do we always want to praise others but not do something?
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kshitijnt
03-30 06:56 AM
Agreed but consider the other options. Lalu? Mulayam?? Mayawati???
I will have tears of joy in my eyes if BJP get the majority but I know it will never happen... :(
Laloos performance as railway minister is amazing. He can make a good PM. Anyday better than Rahul baba.
I will have tears of joy in my eyes if BJP get the majority but I know it will never happen... :(
Laloos performance as railway minister is amazing. He can make a good PM. Anyday better than Rahul baba.
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smisachu
06-16 03:22 PM
Dear fellow. There are various types of population segregation. If you set a high bench mark then only those capable of achieving it will come in. But in the US immigration system, the bench mark is set low and after gathering the population they are just making the flow a trickle. This is like collecting dirty water in a barrel and turning the tap to a trickle to filter impurities. If you want to filter impurities put a filter before the water enters the barrel.
That is not the way to filter. If they need a stricter way to filter they should mandate that (this is just a hypothetical suggestion):
EB1- Only PhD�s period.
EB2A- People with Masters from US universities (STEM+MBA)
EB2B- people with Masters from other countries (STEM+MBA)
EB3A- People with Bachelors in STEM
EB3B- People with Bachelors (Others), and so on.
Mind you I am not professing that a masters from a US university is any better than one from say an Indian university. I have studied both places and I will tell you that the level of education in India is so much superior to what we get in US.
Right now you have IT guys going in to EB1 claiming to be multinational executives and getting GC. While people with Masters from US universities are waiting in EB2. Since the USCIS screwed up from the get go, the least they can do is to do a visa re capture so that visas that were mandated for EB immigration but were wasted are rightfully used for us. At least this way they will let in some good stuff . Some of the bad stuff will creep in but it is a casualty of war (or stupidity in this case).
By the way I don�t think that they are trying to filter at all. They have just screwed up.
I hope that you are more qualified than I am and I am not going to waste your time or my time contesting it. However, you could be a little more humble. I would also like to point out that your high qualifications may be failing you in your critical and deductive reasoning. Refer to the highlighted portion of your quote. If I may reason on an analogous note, you are saying that the current IIT JEE examination lets in a few people who aren't qualified. So by making the examination more tougher, it has more chances of letting in unqualified people. Needless to say, I am stumped.
That is not the way to filter. If they need a stricter way to filter they should mandate that (this is just a hypothetical suggestion):
EB1- Only PhD�s period.
EB2A- People with Masters from US universities (STEM+MBA)
EB2B- people with Masters from other countries (STEM+MBA)
EB3A- People with Bachelors in STEM
EB3B- People with Bachelors (Others), and so on.
Mind you I am not professing that a masters from a US university is any better than one from say an Indian university. I have studied both places and I will tell you that the level of education in India is so much superior to what we get in US.
Right now you have IT guys going in to EB1 claiming to be multinational executives and getting GC. While people with Masters from US universities are waiting in EB2. Since the USCIS screwed up from the get go, the least they can do is to do a visa re capture so that visas that were mandated for EB immigration but were wasted are rightfully used for us. At least this way they will let in some good stuff . Some of the bad stuff will creep in but it is a casualty of war (or stupidity in this case).
By the way I don�t think that they are trying to filter at all. They have just screwed up.
I hope that you are more qualified than I am and I am not going to waste your time or my time contesting it. However, you could be a little more humble. I would also like to point out that your high qualifications may be failing you in your critical and deductive reasoning. Refer to the highlighted portion of your quote. If I may reason on an analogous note, you are saying that the current IIT JEE examination lets in a few people who aren't qualified. So by making the examination more tougher, it has more chances of letting in unqualified people. Needless to say, I am stumped.
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06-28 12:52 PM
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kaisersose
02-13 12:07 PM
I think the US government wanted it this way.
Back in the 19th century then experienced phases where too many Irish came into the country in waves and then too many Chinese - both of which did not go down well with Americans raising Xenophobia to new levels and causing trouble for the immigrants .
This is why they decided to get an even mix of people from all countries and prevent a surge of people from any one country. They have no reason not to apply the same logic for the employment category.
Like an ROW person said on another forum, Indians will find any number of reasons to support removal of country cap, but we can find an equal number of reasons to retain country cap.
Leaving aside the difference of opinion between Indians and ROWs on this topic, we should also look at which side Americans are inclined to take. Based on History, they would actually side with ROWs on this one.
Back in the 19th century then experienced phases where too many Irish came into the country in waves and then too many Chinese - both of which did not go down well with Americans raising Xenophobia to new levels and causing trouble for the immigrants .
This is why they decided to get an even mix of people from all countries and prevent a surge of people from any one country. They have no reason not to apply the same logic for the employment category.
Like an ROW person said on another forum, Indians will find any number of reasons to support removal of country cap, but we can find an equal number of reasons to retain country cap.
Leaving aside the difference of opinion between Indians and ROWs on this topic, we should also look at which side Americans are inclined to take. Based on History, they would actually side with ROWs on this one.
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