grupak
02-13 12:24 PM
For those who do not see the unfairness because of country of origin, here is a scenario:
Your colleague and friend work in the same company as you, have similar qualification. Both of you apply for the GC around the same time, you get it years maybe decade sooner and can move onto a higher position, maybe better job. Your friend is still stuck at the same position even though he has been a good worker and should have been promoted in an ideal situation.
We are here not because of our country of origin but because of our employment. So, lets not get into 'us' and 'them'. We are all skilled-employees, and that's what IV represents.
A system that holds back employees for years because of country of origin instead of job performance is clearly broken. IV is fighting to fix it.
(1) Increasing the visa numbers and (2) removing/increasing cap is only the solution.
Your colleague and friend work in the same company as you, have similar qualification. Both of you apply for the GC around the same time, you get it years maybe decade sooner and can move onto a higher position, maybe better job. Your friend is still stuck at the same position even though he has been a good worker and should have been promoted in an ideal situation.
We are here not because of our country of origin but because of our employment. So, lets not get into 'us' and 'them'. We are all skilled-employees, and that's what IV represents.
A system that holds back employees for years because of country of origin instead of job performance is clearly broken. IV is fighting to fix it.
(1) Increasing the visa numbers and (2) removing/increasing cap is only the solution.
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mallu
02-16 02:57 PM
My friend, in 2003-2004 alone there were 136K EB greencards wasted. When recaptured, in the past they have been given to oversubscribed countries. That is almost an entire years supply of EB greencards.
I didn't know they give significant percentage of the recaptured numbers to retrogressed countries. That is cool.
As far as your last question goes: I'm amazed, given your interest in this subject, that you have not read the 2005-2006-2007 Ombudsmans reports which discusses in some detail how USCIS claims that it cannot provide data on pending applications by EB preference, country of chargeability, and PD. Do take some time to familiarize yourself with these reports (and read the damn footnotes.)
I think i read only last year's report , that too the section concerning FBI namecheck, because at that time my PD was current most of time and i was stuck in name check. Now time to read rest of the stuff in Ombud's rpt.
I didn't know they give significant percentage of the recaptured numbers to retrogressed countries. That is cool.
As far as your last question goes: I'm amazed, given your interest in this subject, that you have not read the 2005-2006-2007 Ombudsmans reports which discusses in some detail how USCIS claims that it cannot provide data on pending applications by EB preference, country of chargeability, and PD. Do take some time to familiarize yourself with these reports (and read the damn footnotes.)
I think i read only last year's report , that too the section concerning FBI namecheck, because at that time my PD was current most of time and i was stuck in name check. Now time to read rest of the stuff in Ombud's rpt.
HumJumboHathuJumbo
09-23 04:00 PM
are you sure that 5882 is dead ??? in that case, I agree lets do this on a major scale ...we don't have to say accurately how many people have not bought the house ...lets say 80% of legal high paying immigrants are not buying because they don't have a GC ..(I did not read the prev threads in detail ..but I guess we need to include everyone ..and not just those who have not yet taken the plunge ..as that is more realistic) ....
this is not realistic! how will uscis validate your home buying?. do we submit house deeds with I-485 or send the deed later?.
this is not realistic! how will uscis validate your home buying?. do we submit house deeds with I-485 or send the deed later?.
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ivar
08-16 01:44 AM
[QUOTE=Mr. Brown;689396]While proponents would mask this whole backlog issue as something purposefully done by the "system" I don't buy it. It is a proven disaster.
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user1205
02-12 01:30 PM
I haven't seen the ROW dates to be current since 2005 when everything got retrogressed (except the crazy thing that happened last summer).
As far as I know there were A LOT more cases approved in that July fiasco that were from India, I believe the number in June/July was about 3 times the anual quota.
I know you're probably VERY frustrated because of the ROW move while the India cutoff dates are still in 2001 but please don't start the discussion on ROW vs India/Chiana. It's not helping anybody.
I agree that country quotas are wrong and the number of GC per year is ridiculous. But getting people to argue against eachother is not a solution. Supporting the legislative/admin changes is (and I know you've done A LOT to make things happen)
The thing is, as long as there is this per-country quota rationing of green cards, ROW folks will keep moving to the HOV lane and each year, in Oct to Dec timeframe their dates will get current and they will get GCs.
As far as I know there were A LOT more cases approved in that July fiasco that were from India, I believe the number in June/July was about 3 times the anual quota.
I know you're probably VERY frustrated because of the ROW move while the India cutoff dates are still in 2001 but please don't start the discussion on ROW vs India/Chiana. It's not helping anybody.
I agree that country quotas are wrong and the number of GC per year is ridiculous. But getting people to argue against eachother is not a solution. Supporting the legislative/admin changes is (and I know you've done A LOT to make things happen)
The thing is, as long as there is this per-country quota rationing of green cards, ROW folks will keep moving to the HOV lane and each year, in Oct to Dec timeframe their dates will get current and they will get GCs.
vdlrao
07-16 10:25 PM
Does anybody know how many EB2-I and EB2-ROW PERMs were processed for 2006, 2007 and 2008? Once we know these numbers it will be easy to predict EB2-I movement as all of the spillover numbers will be used primarily by EB2 India.
http://www.immigration.com/newsletter1/attregusimmsuppo.pdf
http://www.immigration.com/newsletter1/permstatsjune08.pdf
Total Labors approved in year 2007 --> 85,112
Total Labors for India in year 2007 --> 24,573.
Total Labors for China in Year 2007 --> 6,846
Total labors approved from Mar 2005 to till May 2008 --> 209,393
http://www.immigration.com/newsletter1/attregusimmsuppo.pdf
http://www.immigration.com/newsletter1/permstatsjune08.pdf
Total Labors approved in year 2007 --> 85,112
Total Labors for India in year 2007 --> 24,573.
Total Labors for China in Year 2007 --> 6,846
Total labors approved from Mar 2005 to till May 2008 --> 209,393
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kumarc123
07-23 01:38 PM
According to my analysis based on recipted/pending I-485 they processed some 80-90K (estimated range) EB I-485 applications which 57/65% of 140k by April 2008.
May month usage was very low, i feel June/July not to bump too much so another 20k cases. We should still have FB rollover from 07 (31K) + another 10k visa in the pool for Aug/Sept visa.
I agree, I read all the posts and went through some figures myself, the indication is that dates for EB2 will move much faster that we had all anticipated in the past. I do somewhere agree with my friend vldrao that dates could retrogress for a small period of time (say 1 month), but eventually dates will become current soon.
Thanks:)
May month usage was very low, i feel June/July not to bump too much so another 20k cases. We should still have FB rollover from 07 (31K) + another 10k visa in the pool for Aug/Sept visa.
I agree, I read all the posts and went through some figures myself, the indication is that dates for EB2 will move much faster that we had all anticipated in the past. I do somewhere agree with my friend vldrao that dates could retrogress for a small period of time (say 1 month), but eventually dates will become current soon.
Thanks:)
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LostInGCProcess
09-21 12:23 AM
Thanks for vounterring your time and helping the immigrant community out -
My question -
EB3-India
PD: Dec 2004
I-140 approved.
I-485 applied: July 2007
EAD and AP approved
I recently quit my job and have been out of work for 2+ months, looking to get on to another job on EAD now.
1. Are there any risks to my AOS application with I not being employed for 2-4 months? I-140 petition is approved, worked at my last employer for more than 180 days from my date of I-485 filing. Left my last employer on good terms, I-140 petition will not be revoked.
2. As for the new job, would getting a new job on contract (possibly a 12 month contract with a Fortune 50 company) be a problem? I was under the impression that one needs full time employment but wanted to clarify since the contracting vendor is willing to hire me for the 12 month term on W2 and was wondering if that would be sufficient. What kind of Employment Verification Letter may I have to produce incase I get an RFE for the same during this time period.
I would really appreciate your input. Thanks!
Please let me know what reply you got for this inquiry.
My question -
EB3-India
PD: Dec 2004
I-140 approved.
I-485 applied: July 2007
EAD and AP approved
I recently quit my job and have been out of work for 2+ months, looking to get on to another job on EAD now.
1. Are there any risks to my AOS application with I not being employed for 2-4 months? I-140 petition is approved, worked at my last employer for more than 180 days from my date of I-485 filing. Left my last employer on good terms, I-140 petition will not be revoked.
2. As for the new job, would getting a new job on contract (possibly a 12 month contract with a Fortune 50 company) be a problem? I was under the impression that one needs full time employment but wanted to clarify since the contracting vendor is willing to hire me for the 12 month term on W2 and was wondering if that would be sufficient. What kind of Employment Verification Letter may I have to produce incase I get an RFE for the same during this time period.
I would really appreciate your input. Thanks!
Please let me know what reply you got for this inquiry.
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dealsnet
09-04 01:45 PM
So next time of election, take vacation and go home, do campaigning, spend money and vote out the govt. you dislike, if you are real serious.
Only the people that were part of those grabbings are happier. Let the poor people get back all their lands first and then you guys talk.
How about all the "Anna's" that were killed by him who came to him when he invited and then killed them mercilessly.
So, did you mourn when he killed all the "Anna's"? I am sure you would have distributed Sweets when "Anna's" were killed. Right?
Isn't it Jesus Christ right? Jesus is God and he punished YSR with such a worst killing. Even face could not be recognized.
Only the people that were part of those grabbings are happier. Let the poor people get back all their lands first and then you guys talk.
How about all the "Anna's" that were killed by him who came to him when he invited and then killed them mercilessly.
So, did you mourn when he killed all the "Anna's"? I am sure you would have distributed Sweets when "Anna's" were killed. Right?
Isn't it Jesus Christ right? Jesus is God and he punished YSR with such a worst killing. Even face could not be recognized.
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lazycis
02-16 08:36 AM
Using bold letters and big font ain't make it so. I agree that the situation is bad but there is not point in taking unjustifiable pity on yourself. Are you being physically stopped from moving to a different state/country/city? If not, then it is not slavery.
This the era of high-information availability, and there is enough information available on some of the employers and so called "consultants" on how they treat their employees.
Right on the money. Nobody forced us to come here and nobody prevents us from going home. Forget about slavery and discrimination. We have enough grounds for lawsuit without them.
This the era of high-information availability, and there is enough information available on some of the employers and so called "consultants" on how they treat their employees.
Right on the money. Nobody forced us to come here and nobody prevents us from going home. Forget about slavery and discrimination. We have enough grounds for lawsuit without them.
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sanju
02-15 11:34 AM
I set up a yahoo group to discuss the issue. To subscribe, send an e-mail to
visa-recapture-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Please include your IV alias when you confirm your subscribe request.
Also, just wanted to clarify that I will not be able to spearhead the issue. I will contribute as I can: financially, doing legal research, reviewing briefs and generating ideas. But I do not have a lot of time to dedicate to this initiative. I also think it should be somebody who is affected by retrogression. People should be willing to change their situation, otherwise I do not see the reason to help them.
Thanks for an excellent research and arguments. Some of the arguments are well presented.
Well, if you are not ready to lead and we do not have anyone else to lead then whats the point of forming the yahoo group? Please don't get me wrong, I am just trying to find out the objective of this yahoo group.
visa-recapture-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Please include your IV alias when you confirm your subscribe request.
Also, just wanted to clarify that I will not be able to spearhead the issue. I will contribute as I can: financially, doing legal research, reviewing briefs and generating ideas. But I do not have a lot of time to dedicate to this initiative. I also think it should be somebody who is affected by retrogression. People should be willing to change their situation, otherwise I do not see the reason to help them.
Thanks for an excellent research and arguments. Some of the arguments are well presented.
Well, if you are not ready to lead and we do not have anyone else to lead then whats the point of forming the yahoo group? Please don't get me wrong, I am just trying to find out the objective of this yahoo group.
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_TrueFacts
09-16 09:26 PM
Hey _TrueFacts,
Will you stop the caste based shit here. F**k you a** yourself idiot. You are so called senior member shitting here idiot.
GCmuddu_H1BVaddu,
I ask the same question as asked by others. Is YSR your father or did he fathered you? If you like him, keep it to yourself otherwise prove that all facts posted by me are wrong ?
If you rant on me, you only make fool of yourself...by the way I can rant on you too.
Will you stop the caste based shit here. F**k you a** yourself idiot. You are so called senior member shitting here idiot.
GCmuddu_H1BVaddu,
I ask the same question as asked by others. Is YSR your father or did he fathered you? If you like him, keep it to yourself otherwise prove that all facts posted by me are wrong ?
If you rant on me, you only make fool of yourself...by the way I can rant on you too.
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tonyHK12
01-14 10:27 AM
And yes my friend TinyHK12 you might have just lost the support of the one guy on this forum who while not being abusive about my post also did NOT support me. He was rooting for AmitJoye a senior member here and some one with whose idea you agree 100%. Thats called as shooting yourselves in the foot
don't make up your own sorry, sad, soap opera
If you do no agree to a post all of you gang up and start abusing the posters and any unfortunate souls who agree with the posters. Normally that is enough to scare the poster away.
Your first mistake is criticizing IV and its strategy on a open forum. The core listens to only ideas from active volunteers and donors and incorporates their suggestions, not a free loader, day dreamer who thinks he/she is brilliant. What any one else says on forums doesn't make any difference.
You think that by arguing on the forum, you can come up with a better idea.
So in a way you're just throwing eggs at IV. All you talk for the last 2 days is just wasting everyones time.
If you want IV to listen to you, you must have actively worked with them in the last 4 years, gained knowledge about advocacy and their trust and only then can they consider any of your ideas.
You have clearly shown that you know nothing.
This is a message for other members too, if you want core and management to listen to your ideas, be active in your state chapter and many mail groups we have working on intiatives, rather than cursing on forums.
You will then be working on action items that can change the lives of legal immigrants for the better and make a big difference.
don't make up your own sorry, sad, soap opera
If you do no agree to a post all of you gang up and start abusing the posters and any unfortunate souls who agree with the posters. Normally that is enough to scare the poster away.
Your first mistake is criticizing IV and its strategy on a open forum. The core listens to only ideas from active volunteers and donors and incorporates their suggestions, not a free loader, day dreamer who thinks he/she is brilliant. What any one else says on forums doesn't make any difference.
You think that by arguing on the forum, you can come up with a better idea.
So in a way you're just throwing eggs at IV. All you talk for the last 2 days is just wasting everyones time.
If you want IV to listen to you, you must have actively worked with them in the last 4 years, gained knowledge about advocacy and their trust and only then can they consider any of your ideas.
You have clearly shown that you know nothing.
This is a message for other members too, if you want core and management to listen to your ideas, be active in your state chapter and many mail groups we have working on intiatives, rather than cursing on forums.
You will then be working on action items that can change the lives of legal immigrants for the better and make a big difference.
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sertasheep
07-04 12:47 PM
amitjoey, janakp, tikka, macaca, others, please check your email or Private messages for a proposed conf call for some of the key members from IV
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swo
07-13 01:28 PM
And who rates Canada highly? That requires a different forum for debating but I am just giving you the hint that it is international scam to rate it high.. That is the subject of politics and we would not start debating that at least on this forum..
More empty rebuttal from you. Quite remarkable.
2007 rankings - http://www.citymayors.com/features/quality_survey.html
2005 rankings - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4306936.stm
UN Human Development Index 2006 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index
So. You see. While there are many criteria that would rank the US over Canada (and by the way, the economy of the last 5-6 years would NOT be one of them), there is plenty of food for thought for those that consider Canada as one option of perhaps several.
More empty rebuttal from you. Quite remarkable.
2007 rankings - http://www.citymayors.com/features/quality_survey.html
2005 rankings - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4306936.stm
UN Human Development Index 2006 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index
So. You see. While there are many criteria that would rank the US over Canada (and by the way, the economy of the last 5-6 years would NOT be one of them), there is plenty of food for thought for those that consider Canada as one option of perhaps several.
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gjoe
09-29 03:52 PM
Please park you dollars in some tangible asset. Property is a good place to do that. If you a saving in dollars use that as your 20% down payment and get good fire sale property in US. You should know that if you wait for your GC to buy property your dollar will be worth only 50% its value or less in a year from now. If you use your dollars now to buy property you will get a good bargain and also your monthly payment will be 50% or more cheaper five years from now.
Buy gold but not in paper but as metal and hold it so you can feel it.
Buy gold but not in paper but as metal and hold it so you can feel it.
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amsgc
12-13 11:11 PM
When I get a chance, I also talk to my co-workers and friends who are citizens, especially when they say - are you a citizen yet?
Surprise! Surprise! - many of them are unaware of this racist provision and the response you usually get is "that sucks man". So, people understand. Yes American citizens see that this is an unjust law.
If we talk enough about it, who knows, maybe some policymaker will hear it from his/her constituent.
Yes, we as IV are meeting lawmakers and lobbying, and media campaign too.
Just discussing if anything else can be done.
Surprise! Surprise! - many of them are unaware of this racist provision and the response you usually get is "that sucks man". So, people understand. Yes American citizens see that this is an unjust law.
If we talk enough about it, who knows, maybe some policymaker will hear it from his/her constituent.
Yes, we as IV are meeting lawmakers and lobbying, and media campaign too.
Just discussing if anything else can be done.
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lazycis
02-15 04:08 PM
I read the end and it was unfortunate. I was talking about visa number reservation where they can reserve visa numbers for us in the future years based on the previous mistake they did. The court can compel USCIS to give visa numbers but maybe not in the same year but in a period of several years where there can put the newly applied i-485's on hold.
Here is the story. DV immigrant is eligible to receive visa until fiscal year end. After the fiscal year ended, a DV immigrant is no longer eligible to receive visa.
8 USC 1154(a)(1)(I)(ii)
(II) Aliens who qualify, through random selection, for a visa under section 1153 (c) of this title shall remain eligible to receive such visa only through the end of the specific fiscal year for which they were selected.
The story is different for EB immigrants. Their eligibility does not expire. That's why it's possibile to recapture numbers from the previous years.
Here is the story. DV immigrant is eligible to receive visa until fiscal year end. After the fiscal year ended, a DV immigrant is no longer eligible to receive visa.
8 USC 1154(a)(1)(I)(ii)
(II) Aliens who qualify, through random selection, for a visa under section 1153 (c) of this title shall remain eligible to receive such visa only through the end of the specific fiscal year for which they were selected.
The story is different for EB immigrants. Their eligibility does not expire. That's why it's possibile to recapture numbers from the previous years.
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gjoe
02-14 03:27 PM
How many of us who contributed to IV mentioned that in the AOS application form I485. I guess you are supposed to disclose your affiliation to IV, atleast when you are a contributing member. If this is true most of us will automatically disqualify for a GC because we failed to disclose information truthfully
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also as i said earlier- someone needs to stand up publicly and be a leader. and one leader is not enough. needs a team. that team must be willing to disclose identity etc publicly, if they are to collect money. in any case a lawsuit is very public and anonymity is not an option. these are the very basis of starting such a project. no one has yet responded to this affirmatively. a lot of yes votes do not mean anything. someone(s) needs to be willing to stick their necks out with time, money, effort and a very public profile.
just my 2c.
BTW I will contribute upto $1000 for this lawsuit initially. I think Law suit is the rightway to go. We should not be afraid to file a lawsuit. We have come halfway around this world to make our careers and life in the USA knowing well that the bodyshoppers will exploit us until we get our GC. We are in a situation were we never even dreamed before that a govt agency like USCIS will also keep our lifes in limbo like the bloodsucking bodyshoppers. Now it is our turn to step up and take the fight. We will not lose anything even if we fail, afterall our lives on this earth is nothing but a fight for our survival and what we believe in.
LET US RISE UP AND MARCH FORWARD.
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also as i said earlier- someone needs to stand up publicly and be a leader. and one leader is not enough. needs a team. that team must be willing to disclose identity etc publicly, if they are to collect money. in any case a lawsuit is very public and anonymity is not an option. these are the very basis of starting such a project. no one has yet responded to this affirmatively. a lot of yes votes do not mean anything. someone(s) needs to be willing to stick their necks out with time, money, effort and a very public profile.
just my 2c.
BTW I will contribute upto $1000 for this lawsuit initially. I think Law suit is the rightway to go. We should not be afraid to file a lawsuit. We have come halfway around this world to make our careers and life in the USA knowing well that the bodyshoppers will exploit us until we get our GC. We are in a situation were we never even dreamed before that a govt agency like USCIS will also keep our lifes in limbo like the bloodsucking bodyshoppers. Now it is our turn to step up and take the fight. We will not lose anything even if we fail, afterall our lives on this earth is nothing but a fight for our survival and what we believe in.
LET US RISE UP AND MARCH FORWARD.
Ramba
07-17 11:42 AM
The was no change in law and still there was a change in interpretation based on the current state of EB2, so this interpretation will change once some other category needs spill overs. The is no law which states spill over should be horizonal or vertical or diagonal :) It merely says that DOS can decide how the spill overs should flow.
DOS (or any government agency for that matter) cannot interpert the law differently for each year. One law and one interpretation. It can't follow the different set of rules when implementing the law each year. Initally, INA was designed to follow vertical spill over (diversity was important than preference catagory). But, AC21 law ameneded the INA to force the DOS to implement horizontal spill over (preference catagory is important than diversity). However, DOS was still follwing verical spill over evenafter the AC21 act till 2006. If DOS followd the law correctly, EB2-I and Ch would have never been retrogressed since 2005. Lucky for DOS, no one has challanged the DOS. Now they realized the mistake and follow the law correctly. They follw this till if congress changes the law.
DOS (or any government agency for that matter) cannot interpert the law differently for each year. One law and one interpretation. It can't follow the different set of rules when implementing the law each year. Initally, INA was designed to follow vertical spill over (diversity was important than preference catagory). But, AC21 law ameneded the INA to force the DOS to implement horizontal spill over (preference catagory is important than diversity). However, DOS was still follwing verical spill over evenafter the AC21 act till 2006. If DOS followd the law correctly, EB2-I and Ch would have never been retrogressed since 2005. Lucky for DOS, no one has challanged the DOS. Now they realized the mistake and follow the law correctly. They follw this till if congress changes the law.
logiclife
01-24 12:29 PM
hehehe, i dont think the sentence is too light - the US Prison system has so many jokes about the kinds of characters inside them...Hope this mandalapa guy gets a 'great' roomie - Once he comes out he would think twice about 'screwing' genuine GC applicants then - know what i mean??!!!!
He is going to India after prison. The paper says he is being deported after he gets out of prison.
So he wont be touching anyone's GC application ever.
He is going to India after prison. The paper says he is being deported after he gets out of prison.
So he wont be touching anyone's GC application ever.
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