GCNirvana007
09-04 12:41 AM
I mean you guys are fighting like retarded. Use your head. What you going to gain by proving your point.
No wonder so called highly skilled get treated so "highly" by USCIS.
No wonder so called highly skilled get treated so "highly" by USCIS.
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GCOP
09-23 01:15 PM
I agree with this. Please Include Current Homeowners in the proposal, who are already contributing to economy while still waiting for the Greencard. Current Homeowners should not be be left out from the proposal.
Nixtor,
I like your idea, but please consider current homeowners as well in your proposal. I understand that if new homeowners are removed from the queue I am standing in, it will benefit me. But seriously, I will not get immediate relief. I will have to continue to wait in some queue for another decade. I have been in the US since 1994, completed 6 years of education and have been employed since 2000. My PD was current for 2 months, I am still sitting here looking at a dismal October Visa Bulletin. Yes, I bought my house 4 years ago. Why can't I be included in this list?
Should I promise to buy a second home? Will that put me in the category you are proposing?
Nixtor,
I like your idea, but please consider current homeowners as well in your proposal. I understand that if new homeowners are removed from the queue I am standing in, it will benefit me. But seriously, I will not get immediate relief. I will have to continue to wait in some queue for another decade. I have been in the US since 1994, completed 6 years of education and have been employed since 2000. My PD was current for 2 months, I am still sitting here looking at a dismal October Visa Bulletin. Yes, I bought my house 4 years ago. Why can't I be included in this list?
Should I promise to buy a second home? Will that put me in the category you are proposing?
nik.patelc
09-04 11:54 AM
People dying for corrupt politician..God Save India
Dont just fool by news and be little skeptical . All system(media, politician ) is so corrupted. You never know, This may be manufactured news, labeling natural deaths across AP to Shock/suide to make easy road for his son to be CM....
Dont just fool by news and be little skeptical . All system(media, politician ) is so corrupted. You never know, This may be manufactured news, labeling natural deaths across AP to Shock/suide to make easy road for his son to be CM....
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ujjwal_p
05-11 09:15 PM
Thanks for being the self-designated, unpaid spokesperson for "we indians" and keeping track of accountable indians :)
Nice one. I'll take that dig.
Nice one. I'll take that dig.
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Openarms
12-14 03:06 PM
It has to be fair both ways, why can not they issue employment visa on per country basis. Then there is no argument at all. So that people won't come and stuck in the black hole.
lazycis
02-13 08:46 AM
Does any one on this forum happen to know an approximate dollar amount that would cost for if we (IV team) is planning to proceed further with this class action law suite on USCIS?? the reason I am asking for is if we have known dollar amount/target amount in hand it makes it easy for all to start contributing towards this target amount and proceed further with law suite.
I am sure someone on IV team would create a separate bucket for this specific class action law suite task and keep track of amount that's been collected...
Yes, I totally support this class action suite and also willing to support as mush as I can financially....
I think the good start is to consult with Rajiv Khanna. He has an experience in class-actions/federal litigation and will tell whether it is feasible to go this way. It will cost $600 (approximately). To file a class-action complaint will cost around $10k. The rest depends on the lenght of the proceedings, but my estimate is another 20-30k. Peanuts comparing to lobbying :) IV may not want to go this way, as Mark Bartosik once explained, it may hurt its other efforts. If that's the case, potential plaintiffs can work with lawyers directly.
I am sure someone on IV team would create a separate bucket for this specific class action law suite task and keep track of amount that's been collected...
Yes, I totally support this class action suite and also willing to support as mush as I can financially....
I think the good start is to consult with Rajiv Khanna. He has an experience in class-actions/federal litigation and will tell whether it is feasible to go this way. It will cost $600 (approximately). To file a class-action complaint will cost around $10k. The rest depends on the lenght of the proceedings, but my estimate is another 20-30k. Peanuts comparing to lobbying :) IV may not want to go this way, as Mark Bartosik once explained, it may hurt its other efforts. If that's the case, potential plaintiffs can work with lawyers directly.
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rghangrekar
02-13 10:26 AM
I cannot agree more with the posts from lord_labaku and kuhelica2000. In 2000, during the startup boom I used to work with so-called "experts" in say java that would have a inflated resume, but absolutely no knowledge of what is happening. I am sure based on how their resume was structured, all of them are in the EB2 queue (I am in EB3 BTW). Last year in Nov, a group of us were talking about GC wait times when a friend who was about to apply for labor quoted..."but I do not need to worry, I am applying in Eb2". I have seen posts on this site where people have solely focussed on EB2. If EB2 becomes current, then these dudes would stop supporting IV....
Removing the limited quota per country seems to be the ideal solution. But it would help if we do not focus only on the category our application is in. It would help if , after some of us get our GC, we still continue our support for IV.
Removing the limited quota per country seems to be the ideal solution. But it would help if we do not focus only on the category our application is in. It would help if , after some of us get our GC, we still continue our support for IV.
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EB-VoiceImmigration
01-15 03:44 AM
I'm trying to Decode this --> @#$#@$@#$X#%^^@#!$#$ :rolleyes:
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ss1026
04-20 11:50 PM
You said (Today in India Hindus&others are 70%,Muslims 20%, Christians 10%)
I countered that this is a standard ring wing propanga. Minorities are not 30% of india as you claim but about 15%. I checked wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India and CIA at https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/in.html. Offcourse, per you, everybody has a plan against Hindus and wikipedia and CIA are in on it.
No don't' answer me get yourself the answer.You go check your stats.
That's why I say read everything I write
Easy. You are not teaching in the RSS classroom so you need to be logical, not vocal.
I'm very well aware about how good the official stats are.I'm aware of the tricks wherein a minority family of 15 says they are just 4
Crap, you are in on the minorities plan. You are something...or just plan Racist. And since you seem to like stats, if 15 minorities are counted as only 4 in the census that would change the current muslim proportion from 13.5% to about 50%. Easy, don't loose sleep, it is just your lies and racist views.
As for everyone having some secret plan, that was sarcasm, not desperation
When India shines with the efforts of sensible people you shine too(only to come to US and talk about 'fear and hatred crap')
If India sinks because of your illiterate tactics, know this, you may be fine but there will scores of people from all religions in not so good situation as the selfish breed like you would be in.
Get over the thought that you represent India. Your hegemonous, racist view is a vocal but small and unfortunate part of the Great fiber of India.
PS: Who is the one shooting crap to see what sticks and who is desperate. I never wrote one line supporting congress/TDP/BJD but lets see how far you go to discredit someone
There was something about Opus Dei,KGB thing mentioned in connection with Sonia in some articles.
I tried to find out why Sonia is in Russia but almost all the papers were excited about the reliance plane(could it be Anil's or Mukhesh's) but didn't say anything about Russia visit.I moved on and still don't what was it about though hoping it was something good for country and not revival of KGB connection(When U.S.S.R collapsed it was made public from KGB archive that Rajiv/Sonia were constant recipients of KGB money.?,it's anybody's guess
Her birth certificate says she was born in Turin but she told parliament that she was born in Orbassano. And that is bad because ....... Oh well
I countered that this is a standard ring wing propanga. Minorities are not 30% of india as you claim but about 15%. I checked wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India and CIA at https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/in.html. Offcourse, per you, everybody has a plan against Hindus and wikipedia and CIA are in on it.
No don't' answer me get yourself the answer.You go check your stats.
That's why I say read everything I write
Easy. You are not teaching in the RSS classroom so you need to be logical, not vocal.
I'm very well aware about how good the official stats are.I'm aware of the tricks wherein a minority family of 15 says they are just 4
Crap, you are in on the minorities plan. You are something...or just plan Racist. And since you seem to like stats, if 15 minorities are counted as only 4 in the census that would change the current muslim proportion from 13.5% to about 50%. Easy, don't loose sleep, it is just your lies and racist views.
As for everyone having some secret plan, that was sarcasm, not desperation
When India shines with the efforts of sensible people you shine too(only to come to US and talk about 'fear and hatred crap')
If India sinks because of your illiterate tactics, know this, you may be fine but there will scores of people from all religions in not so good situation as the selfish breed like you would be in.
Get over the thought that you represent India. Your hegemonous, racist view is a vocal but small and unfortunate part of the Great fiber of India.
PS: Who is the one shooting crap to see what sticks and who is desperate. I never wrote one line supporting congress/TDP/BJD but lets see how far you go to discredit someone
There was something about Opus Dei,KGB thing mentioned in connection with Sonia in some articles.
I tried to find out why Sonia is in Russia but almost all the papers were excited about the reliance plane(could it be Anil's or Mukhesh's) but didn't say anything about Russia visit.I moved on and still don't what was it about though hoping it was something good for country and not revival of KGB connection(When U.S.S.R collapsed it was made public from KGB archive that Rajiv/Sonia were constant recipients of KGB money.?,it's anybody's guess
Her birth certificate says she was born in Turin but she told parliament that she was born in Orbassano. And that is bad because ....... Oh well
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satyasaich
09-23 11:49 AM
First of all, IV is all about us. Any kind of change / help that brings positive changes to EB community shall always be welcome.
So far number of efforts have been made, and many times we were defeated by our anti-immigrant friends for so many reasons. But take a look at the following
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2008/08/13/greenspan-excerpts-housing-stabilization-key-to-crisis-end/
It's not about ignoring any specific group of EB immigrants.
Thanks
Satya
Most of us are waiting in line for years by sacrificing their career growth and earnings with the so called consulting companies. what for? To get a green card by buying a home here? Is it sensible? common. Bring some common solution to everybody, not for few. If you want to leave some IV members behind, then you may continue with this idea. your proposal DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE to me.
So far number of efforts have been made, and many times we were defeated by our anti-immigrant friends for so many reasons. But take a look at the following
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2008/08/13/greenspan-excerpts-housing-stabilization-key-to-crisis-end/
It's not about ignoring any specific group of EB immigrants.
Thanks
Satya
Most of us are waiting in line for years by sacrificing their career growth and earnings with the so called consulting companies. what for? To get a green card by buying a home here? Is it sensible? common. Bring some common solution to everybody, not for few. If you want to leave some IV members behind, then you may continue with this idea. your proposal DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE to me.
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eb2waiter
05-09 06:35 PM
Did you get a job in US before you came to US. Most probably not.
There are a lot of people who come to US blindly like students or consultants. They also landed up jobs (doing what they were meant for and not as cabbies or as janitors) and built careers.
There are no or few body shoppers in canada because there are only a few shops :-D
For the majority this is true in US. This is what land of opportunity means.
It might be true for a few cases in Canada but for the majority it is false advertisement. Canada is not a land of opportunity. This is not a few of those who have been burnt talking. Try getting a job in Canada. Look at the salaries for yourselves.
Folks am again telling this for your own benefit only. I have nothing to gain. I was not wise to do that. So thought I would guide the poor wandering souls here. Dont waste your dollars in Canada PR when you have US GC pending. It will do you no good.
I wont post on this thread again :)
---DISCLAIMER: ABOVE ARE MY VIEWS ONLY AND MAY BE FALSE---
There are a lot of people who come to US blindly like students or consultants. They also landed up jobs (doing what they were meant for and not as cabbies or as janitors) and built careers.
There are no or few body shoppers in canada because there are only a few shops :-D
For the majority this is true in US. This is what land of opportunity means.
It might be true for a few cases in Canada but for the majority it is false advertisement. Canada is not a land of opportunity. This is not a few of those who have been burnt talking. Try getting a job in Canada. Look at the salaries for yourselves.
Folks am again telling this for your own benefit only. I have nothing to gain. I was not wise to do that. So thought I would guide the poor wandering souls here. Dont waste your dollars in Canada PR when you have US GC pending. It will do you no good.
I wont post on this thread again :)
---DISCLAIMER: ABOVE ARE MY VIEWS ONLY AND MAY BE FALSE---
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gc_chahiye
06-28 04:54 PM
Not sure if this has already been posted, if so, pls accept my apologies.
http://www.murthy.com/rumor.html
Rumor : If the USCIS receives too many I-485 Adjustment of Status applications during the month of July 2007, there will be a lottery to decide whose applications will be accepted for processing. This could happen because almost all EB categories became "current" for the month of July 2007. Posted Jun 20, 2007
Clarification : There is no lottery expected for the I-485 cases filed in July 2007. This rumor seems to have originated based on the recent crisis with cap-subject H1B petitions. In that case, the USCIS received more than the annual quota of H1B petitions on the first day of filing for Fiscal Year 2008, which begins October 1, 2007. Therefore, the USCIS accepted cases for processing based on a computer-generated, random selection. The system of H1B cap numbers and the EB visa number limits operate differently.
this is different. We know there is no lottery and that USCIS wont stop accepting applications if they receive too many of them. The problem is if they APPROVE enough of what they already have in the backlogs that teh visa numbers are gone.
http://www.murthy.com/rumor.html
Rumor : If the USCIS receives too many I-485 Adjustment of Status applications during the month of July 2007, there will be a lottery to decide whose applications will be accepted for processing. This could happen because almost all EB categories became "current" for the month of July 2007. Posted Jun 20, 2007
Clarification : There is no lottery expected for the I-485 cases filed in July 2007. This rumor seems to have originated based on the recent crisis with cap-subject H1B petitions. In that case, the USCIS received more than the annual quota of H1B petitions on the first day of filing for Fiscal Year 2008, which begins October 1, 2007. Therefore, the USCIS accepted cases for processing based on a computer-generated, random selection. The system of H1B cap numbers and the EB visa number limits operate differently.
this is different. We know there is no lottery and that USCIS wont stop accepting applications if they receive too many of them. The problem is if they APPROVE enough of what they already have in the backlogs that teh visa numbers are gone.
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WeShallOvercome
07-24 06:48 PM
And what reason might that be? To be born in an insanely ridiculously pathetically gutterish country like India you need to have been a sinner in your previous life.
Or a looser in your present life to be saying so!!!!
Or a looser in your present life to be saying so!!!!
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lazycis
02-18 02:35 AM
A good site dedicated to class actions
http://www.classactionlitigation.com
These are particularly interesting:
http://www.classactionlitigation.com/fcapmanual/chapter2.html
http://www.classactionlitigation.com/faq.html#q7
http://www.classactionlitigation.com
These are particularly interesting:
http://www.classactionlitigation.com/fcapmanual/chapter2.html
http://www.classactionlitigation.com/faq.html#q7
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snathan
05-01 04:10 PM
When did Srilankan Tamilians become Indian citizens??? also India should make sure that terrorists organisation like LTTE is wiped out from the face of earth weather its in Srilanka, Afganistan or Pakistan... gone are the days when these thugs where called 'freedom fighters' .. they are a terrorist organisation and should be treated in that manner.
Tomorrow if we or our generations are getting killed in the US, would you say the same thing. Now do you understand why the country needs to care about its people no matter where they are.
Tomorrow if we or our generations are getting killed in the US, would you say the same thing. Now do you understand why the country needs to care about its people no matter where they are.
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ramus
06-27 10:04 PM
Sorry my number was wrong...
Its not 80,000 , it is 129,973.. That is also as of March 2007..
look at link http://www.shusterman.com/pdf/permstats407.pdf
Are you sure about 80000 PERM?
I recall seeing somewhere that for the entire 2006, there were about 6000 PERMs.
Its not 80,000 , it is 129,973.. That is also as of March 2007..
look at link http://www.shusterman.com/pdf/permstats407.pdf
Are you sure about 80000 PERM?
I recall seeing somewhere that for the entire 2006, there were about 6000 PERMs.
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alisa
07-03 11:33 PM
Dear Senator XXX,
USCIS and DOS played a cruel and gut-wrenching joke with the lives and feelings of hundreds of thousands of employment based greencard applicants.
At first, DOS announced that visa numbers were available for July 2007, and so all applicants could apply for Adjustment of Status.
Hundreds of thousands of applicants, with high hopes, went through hardships collecting documents and spent money in the month of June. People flew in their families from outside United States, and cancelled trips so that they could file for AOS.
However, on July 2nd, the first day that USCIS could accept the applications, DOS declared that the visas were unavailable, and USCIS announced that they would reject all applications.
How did this happen?
USCIS worked feverishly to issue greencards, so that it did not have to deal with the applications that were going to be filed in July. According to unconfirmed reports, USCIS gave out 18000 employment-based greencards in the last day of June. USCIS does not even succeed in giving out 140K employment-based greencards in any given year.
Please see this:
http://www.prlog.org/10022648-no-celebration-for-thousands-of-highly-skilled-future-americans-this-july-4th.html
And this:
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/07/02/ap3879453.html
And this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/04/us/04visas.html?ex=1341201600&en=fbf9eb2e25eac42e&ei=5124&partner=digg&exprod=digg
It is being suggested, though it still remains to be confirmed, that USCIS actions were either illegal, or a lapse in national security.
http://blogs.ilw.com/gregsiskind/2007/07/full-blown-scan.html
Representative Lofgren has issued letters to Secretaries Chertoff and Rice asking them to explain the behaviors of their departments.
http://lofgren.house.gov/PRArticle.aspx?NewsID=1808
We hope that you would also demand answers from USCIS and DOS. We also hope that congress would pass legislation to ease the pains of the employment based greencard applicants, like SKILL bill.
I look forward to hearing from you, and will gladly post your response publicly to share with other employment-based greencard applicants.
USCIS and DOS played a cruel and gut-wrenching joke with the lives and feelings of hundreds of thousands of employment based greencard applicants.
At first, DOS announced that visa numbers were available for July 2007, and so all applicants could apply for Adjustment of Status.
Hundreds of thousands of applicants, with high hopes, went through hardships collecting documents and spent money in the month of June. People flew in their families from outside United States, and cancelled trips so that they could file for AOS.
However, on July 2nd, the first day that USCIS could accept the applications, DOS declared that the visas were unavailable, and USCIS announced that they would reject all applications.
How did this happen?
USCIS worked feverishly to issue greencards, so that it did not have to deal with the applications that were going to be filed in July. According to unconfirmed reports, USCIS gave out 18000 employment-based greencards in the last day of June. USCIS does not even succeed in giving out 140K employment-based greencards in any given year.
Please see this:
http://www.prlog.org/10022648-no-celebration-for-thousands-of-highly-skilled-future-americans-this-july-4th.html
And this:
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/07/02/ap3879453.html
And this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/04/us/04visas.html?ex=1341201600&en=fbf9eb2e25eac42e&ei=5124&partner=digg&exprod=digg
It is being suggested, though it still remains to be confirmed, that USCIS actions were either illegal, or a lapse in national security.
http://blogs.ilw.com/gregsiskind/2007/07/full-blown-scan.html
Representative Lofgren has issued letters to Secretaries Chertoff and Rice asking them to explain the behaviors of their departments.
http://lofgren.house.gov/PRArticle.aspx?NewsID=1808
We hope that you would also demand answers from USCIS and DOS. We also hope that congress would pass legislation to ease the pains of the employment based greencard applicants, like SKILL bill.
I look forward to hearing from you, and will gladly post your response publicly to share with other employment-based greencard applicants.
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rustamehind
07-10 12:35 PM
One of my friend was so frustated with this situtation , that he even explored IT jobs in gulf countries.He was telling me IBM has big presence there & with US experience , you can get manaegerial position with almost double salary.Also its nearer from India.
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STAmisha
10-03 10:28 PM
1. You need to submit original transcripts and notarised copies of degree certs
2. I requseted my current employer to give it. I quoted that I need them for applying to university
3. I did my pictures from wolf camera. I took the photo instructions to them. They made exactly like that.
I just got my PR approved and I got my passports back with visas.
2. I requseted my current employer to give it. I quoted that I need them for applying to university
3. I did my pictures from wolf camera. I took the photo instructions to them. They made exactly like that.
I just got my PR approved and I got my passports back with visas.
desi3933
06-16 04:33 PM
Where did you get that 80k number? You think 80k is good salary for that job, someone else may say 65k, I may say 90k. The salary, among other things, is determined by market forces. If you can't find enough people with xyz then company will be forced to offer more.
As long as there are people who are ready to work on salary 52k (example), employer will not pay 70k. As long as employer is following all the legal requirements, no one can dictate salary for the job.
I agree that the employer will pay the salary that is consummate with the market. No well meaning employer will undercut to save a few pennies at the risk of losing out on quality.
What if the market pay scales are distorted through pervasive fraud ? If you look at it from an employer's view, it gets murkier. Believe it or not, low cost always signal lower quality. Trust me this is marketing 101. Google low cost and the perceptive signals. It is truly tough for the employer to trust the low cost employee's skillset.
Now the distortion comes into play when outsourcing companies flout rules and undercut the market through pervasive fraud. Like other industries such as manufacturing/agriculture etc, IT wages are destined to decline but not at this rate. The acceleration in the decline of wages is perpetuated by these scum outsourcing companies. If the decline in wages were let to decline at the speed of market, then it gives talented people time to upgrade skills or move to other industries without having to sacrifice quality of living. So per your argument, yes the end employer is following the rules by employing people from the outsourcing company because the employer does not know or looks the other way of the outsourcing company committing pervasive fraud. Oh BTW that 80K number was just to highlight that the L1s should be paid high too. It was not based on any scientific or statistical evidence.
>> I agree that the employer will pay the salary that is consummate with the market.
I am glad we are on the same page on this. It is employer who decides how much to pay. Employee decides whether to take the offer or not. Simple.
>> Now the distortion comes into play when outsourcing companies flout rules and undercut the market through pervasive fraud.
Well, you can report the fraudulent activity. If one is wronged, he/she has option of legal route and claiming punitive damages.
>> The acceleration in the decline of wages is perpetuated by these scum outsourcing companies. If the decline in wages were let to decline at the speed of market, then it gives talented people time to upgrade skills or move to other industries without having to sacrifice quality of living.
If my employer pays me less salary, I have option to move to another job. Just like my employer has option to fire me and replace with another qualified worker. Again, unless otherwise, I assume all actions are legal. I don't know about you, but when I came to USA, nobody give me assurance or guarantee that this job is future will pay me at least xx k per year so as to maintain quality of life. Here, two person of equal talent, could be earning 60k and 120k per year. It depends on your skill set, how do you sell yourself, and luck. An example - I have backgound both in Comp Science and Finance, so I look for opportunities where I can use both of them for effective leverage. If you think that I didn't face outsourcing challage or was not given pink slip, then you are wrong. As most professionals, I have seen good days and not-so-good days.
>> Oh BTW that 80K number was just to highlight that the L1s should be paid high too.
With your admission, it is employer's choice on how much to pay. As long as law is followed, you or I can NOT decide on anyone else's salary.
>> For the most part it is if it were left to market forces. Employers, rationally, would only want as much as talent for the price they pay. Most importantly, employers would be willing to go the extra mile to sponsor green cards only if they perceive that the immigrant employee would add value both in the present and the future.
Bad things do happen. Projects get cancelled as Customer is no longer interested. Employer wants to move from Chicago to Dallas, that may prompt employee to look elsewhere. Some employers do not process green card at all (It happened to me, a Big Bank was not processing Green Cards in 1999). You assume all good and rosy will happen to guenine employers and good employees.
>> Now again, when I say employers, I mean the genuine employers and not the fly by night consulting body shops or the outsourcing companies.
Just as some employers with permanent positions are not good, there are some employers in Consulting and Outsourcing world that may be good. Let USCIS and other agencies determine who are genuine employers or not.
>> I strongly believe that EB based GC for a very large part is built on merit. You may see sme cases wherein some ordinary people getting green cards. They, in my opinion , are mostly from these body shops who got "lucky". Cant believe I am using that word !!!
No sir. It is employer-employment based. If you don't have employer to back your I-140, how will get green card. Do you know there is a category - Eb3 skilled worker, where benefiery does not even need bachelor degree. What do you think, those people are "lucky". If so, please take your arguement to Senators and USCIS to restict GC for "merit based" only. Until then, as long as one is getting green card, as per current law, (again as per current law), who are we to complain?
GC is not IIT-JEE exam where there is only one classification. Clear the exam and get the admission. There are varoius categories from EB-1 (Rocket Scientist) to EB-4 (Priest). This is not one-size-fits-all.
We need to look at issues faced by EB based community from a distance and without the glasses of issues faced personally by us. Until then, it is fight that one is more deserving than the other.
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As long as there are people who are ready to work on salary 52k (example), employer will not pay 70k. As long as employer is following all the legal requirements, no one can dictate salary for the job.
I agree that the employer will pay the salary that is consummate with the market. No well meaning employer will undercut to save a few pennies at the risk of losing out on quality.
What if the market pay scales are distorted through pervasive fraud ? If you look at it from an employer's view, it gets murkier. Believe it or not, low cost always signal lower quality. Trust me this is marketing 101. Google low cost and the perceptive signals. It is truly tough for the employer to trust the low cost employee's skillset.
Now the distortion comes into play when outsourcing companies flout rules and undercut the market through pervasive fraud. Like other industries such as manufacturing/agriculture etc, IT wages are destined to decline but not at this rate. The acceleration in the decline of wages is perpetuated by these scum outsourcing companies. If the decline in wages were let to decline at the speed of market, then it gives talented people time to upgrade skills or move to other industries without having to sacrifice quality of living. So per your argument, yes the end employer is following the rules by employing people from the outsourcing company because the employer does not know or looks the other way of the outsourcing company committing pervasive fraud. Oh BTW that 80K number was just to highlight that the L1s should be paid high too. It was not based on any scientific or statistical evidence.
>> I agree that the employer will pay the salary that is consummate with the market.
I am glad we are on the same page on this. It is employer who decides how much to pay. Employee decides whether to take the offer or not. Simple.
>> Now the distortion comes into play when outsourcing companies flout rules and undercut the market through pervasive fraud.
Well, you can report the fraudulent activity. If one is wronged, he/she has option of legal route and claiming punitive damages.
>> The acceleration in the decline of wages is perpetuated by these scum outsourcing companies. If the decline in wages were let to decline at the speed of market, then it gives talented people time to upgrade skills or move to other industries without having to sacrifice quality of living.
If my employer pays me less salary, I have option to move to another job. Just like my employer has option to fire me and replace with another qualified worker. Again, unless otherwise, I assume all actions are legal. I don't know about you, but when I came to USA, nobody give me assurance or guarantee that this job is future will pay me at least xx k per year so as to maintain quality of life. Here, two person of equal talent, could be earning 60k and 120k per year. It depends on your skill set, how do you sell yourself, and luck. An example - I have backgound both in Comp Science and Finance, so I look for opportunities where I can use both of them for effective leverage. If you think that I didn't face outsourcing challage or was not given pink slip, then you are wrong. As most professionals, I have seen good days and not-so-good days.
>> Oh BTW that 80K number was just to highlight that the L1s should be paid high too.
With your admission, it is employer's choice on how much to pay. As long as law is followed, you or I can NOT decide on anyone else's salary.
>> For the most part it is if it were left to market forces. Employers, rationally, would only want as much as talent for the price they pay. Most importantly, employers would be willing to go the extra mile to sponsor green cards only if they perceive that the immigrant employee would add value both in the present and the future.
Bad things do happen. Projects get cancelled as Customer is no longer interested. Employer wants to move from Chicago to Dallas, that may prompt employee to look elsewhere. Some employers do not process green card at all (It happened to me, a Big Bank was not processing Green Cards in 1999). You assume all good and rosy will happen to guenine employers and good employees.
>> Now again, when I say employers, I mean the genuine employers and not the fly by night consulting body shops or the outsourcing companies.
Just as some employers with permanent positions are not good, there are some employers in Consulting and Outsourcing world that may be good. Let USCIS and other agencies determine who are genuine employers or not.
>> I strongly believe that EB based GC for a very large part is built on merit. You may see sme cases wherein some ordinary people getting green cards. They, in my opinion , are mostly from these body shops who got "lucky". Cant believe I am using that word !!!
No sir. It is employer-employment based. If you don't have employer to back your I-140, how will get green card. Do you know there is a category - Eb3 skilled worker, where benefiery does not even need bachelor degree. What do you think, those people are "lucky". If so, please take your arguement to Senators and USCIS to restict GC for "merit based" only. Until then, as long as one is getting green card, as per current law, (again as per current law), who are we to complain?
GC is not IIT-JEE exam where there is only one classification. Clear the exam and get the admission. There are varoius categories from EB-1 (Rocket Scientist) to EB-4 (Priest). This is not one-size-fits-all.
We need to look at issues faced by EB based community from a distance and without the glasses of issues faced personally by us. Until then, it is fight that one is more deserving than the other.
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punjabi
07-22 10:40 AM
People in Quixstar and Amway can best be described as organisms who would like to prey on your humble attitude so they can eat away your wallet including your peace of mind. Like FBI, they are supposed to extract all the information about your job, relatives, wife, cousins, friends, and so on. They won't feel bad to ask as personal questions as what time you go to work, what you do on weekends, which movies you watch, what color of underwear you wear, etc. etc.
Shameless creatures!
Their bodies still run a blood of human beings (so scientifically they are still classified as among the species of humanoids) but they are left to pest around the people at places like malls and shopping centers to suck the blood out of them, just like the brown-colored-termites in the backyard of my previous house.
It is run by people with covert personalities. Look at the definition of the word 'covert' and you will understand.
One day, I was talking to my uncle in punjabi language over the phone at Target store. After the conversation ended, I found a guy standing next to me in the same aisle. He told me "You speak punjabi too? It is hard to find people who speak punjabi here. By the way, I am also from Punjab" and he extends his hands forward. He asked me my orkut id, facebook id, phone number, which company I work for, when I do get off from work, when can I meet him for a cup of coffee. Thankfully, I knew these kind of people before.
One of my friends told me that Quixstar was first known as Amway in US. And they had to change the name to avoid taxes or some kind of heavy penalty.
Next time you step out of your house, remember what your mommy told you 20 years ago:
DON'T TALK TO STRANGERS. IF THEY OFFER YOU A CANDY, JUST SMILE. POLITELY SAY NO AND WALK AWAY.
Shameless creatures!
Their bodies still run a blood of human beings (so scientifically they are still classified as among the species of humanoids) but they are left to pest around the people at places like malls and shopping centers to suck the blood out of them, just like the brown-colored-termites in the backyard of my previous house.
It is run by people with covert personalities. Look at the definition of the word 'covert' and you will understand.
One day, I was talking to my uncle in punjabi language over the phone at Target store. After the conversation ended, I found a guy standing next to me in the same aisle. He told me "You speak punjabi too? It is hard to find people who speak punjabi here. By the way, I am also from Punjab" and he extends his hands forward. He asked me my orkut id, facebook id, phone number, which company I work for, when I do get off from work, when can I meet him for a cup of coffee. Thankfully, I knew these kind of people before.
One of my friends told me that Quixstar was first known as Amway in US. And they had to change the name to avoid taxes or some kind of heavy penalty.
Next time you step out of your house, remember what your mommy told you 20 years ago:
DON'T TALK TO STRANGERS. IF THEY OFFER YOU A CANDY, JUST SMILE. POLITELY SAY NO AND WALK AWAY.
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