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  • tonyHK12
    01-13 01:05 PM
    I think you should start EB3India.org (not affiliated to IV) similar to EB3Chinese.org

    IV works in the interests of both EB2 and EB3 as amitjoey mentioned. we cannot create a Bill to get relief for only one category.
    There already exists an very small, unsuccesful org for just EB3 that core is aware of, and they consider IV as their competitors because
    1. They do not understand and know nothing of how IV works (just like plainspeak)
    2. They want to get donations and members away from IV and make money

    These statements give her away. This is what they do try to pressurize IV to do their agenda. Enough said. Ignore the sales agent. They are trying to incite a fight between EB2 and EB3 just to split IV.

    I think you should start EB3India.org (not affiliated to IV) similar to EB3Chinese.org
    There is an old chinese saying

    Be careful what you wish for it just might come true



    One question i do have for all the members who have argued with me here. Have you seen all the discussion i have participated under and my other posts. Please do that before yelling that i was a member since 2006 and freeloader and all that. You need to do this because if i am you enemy (Scounderal, Liad weed, Anti Immgrant, Future USA etc) then don't you think to know your enemy is better.

    The other posts were just a diversion to show you are not completely rogue. You just have a single agenda - to promote your organization.





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  • jayleno
    07-21 01:49 PM
    This discussion is a lot fun guys.

    I hate these Amway and Quickstar guys with a passion. They are total losers. Though I dont have much to add to what others said before on this thread, I just want some Amway/Quickstar person to see this thread and realize what people of think of them. Doesnt matter I guess. Those guys are shameless and thickskinned.

    Chanduv23, couldn't have said it better. These days, like you said, I too feel very conscious of talking to Desi people who I meet at the public places.

    Some tips I collected after meeting at least 10 Quickstar jokers in the last few years. At some point I was suspecting if I was a Qucikstar magnet. :)

    Common pick up lines for them are:
    1) I have seen you some where
    2) I'm new to the area and I'm looking for a new roommate/place to live.
    3) Nice car/phone. How do you like it? I'm/my-wife-is thinking of buying exact same thing.
    4) If seen at a Desi store, what movie do you suggest?

    After some converstaion like what do you do etc, bang comes the question "How do you like to make some extra money after work?". Thats when you have to pick up your cell phone and answer some imaginary call and ignore the person.





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  • rsharma
    10-07 04:40 PM
    I have built a very simple EB2-I Visa predition model

    Making following assumption

    15000 new EB2 ROW I-485 applications
    12000 new EB1 I-485 applications
    EB4/EB5 use 70% of allocated visa (30% spillover)


    EB2 Visa Bulletin prediction for FY 2010
    Bulletin Quarterly-spillover Annual Spillover
    Oct-09 22-Jan-2005 22-Jan-2005
    Nov-09 22-Jan-2005 22-Jan-2005
    Dec-09 31-Mar-2005 1-Feb-2005
    Jan-10 31-Mar-2005 15-Feb-2005
    Feb-10 31-Mar-2005 31-Mar-2005
    Mar-10 31-Mar-2006 31-Mar-2005
    Apr-10 31-Mar-2006 31-Mar-2005
    May-10 31-Mar-2006 31-Mar-2005
    Jun-10 15-Oct-2006 31-Mar-2005
    Jul-10 15-Oct-2006 30-Sep-2005
    Aug-10 15-Oct-2006 30-Apr-2007
    Sep-10 31-Mar-2007 30-May-2007

    I would be very happy if your predictions come true. But it appears you have not taken into consideration of the fact that thousands of EB3 might move over to Eb2.





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  • alisa
    02-13 08:07 PM
    You may not be wrong! (Though you are stretching it a bit too far.)
    We are not here to do justice. We are all here for our self-interests.

    I am eating 3 times a day and looking for the fourth meal. Meanwhile there is a bunch hanging around the kitchen looking for atleast 1 meal a day. The food supply is limited. If i join with those , i might be in a situation of 2 meals a day. Even though justice is done with respect to whole lot, there was some injustice to me. What is then the incentive to work with IV ? Wasn't that the tone of question ?



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  • chanduv23
    02-13 10:11 AM
    Chanduv,

    I know in the past many times it was debated -- why people do not support? Let me put forth what I feel.

    Effort put by IV is very commendable. But the beneficiary of IV work (mostly) do not give importance to Green Card. That is what I think based on talking to multiple people and that is what we see from the % participation of people for various fruitful effort put forth by IV. Most of them say they do not care if they get GC or not. In their heart of heart they may but not too much.

    Other reason I can think of is -- There could be doubt in minds of many people of IV strength. The day IV gets some success, people will rally behind IV for a while. And that is the scenario outside world too. See the stock price. If the company is doing good, stock price goes up. The day one bad news comes, stocks falls down. Take the presidential election. You can very well make out that contribution by company or people is proportional to candidate wins. If you are loosing, contribution will dry out very fast. I am not saying that candidate will not have supporter but that would be less in number. Take N.T. Rama Rao case. The day Naidu ditched him and others followed him, no officials gave importance to NTR.

    Believe me, in my office or outside, I have talked to every Indian. And not one comes back n discusses with me about IV.

    I strongly feel IV is doing a commendable job with some dedicated contributors.

    Well - Thats what I have noticed, but people go nowhere nor do they do anything for themselves. More than interest, I think people do not want to get into these things, no one wants to take unwanted risks - as thats how people percieve it. A lot of people feel IVs protocols are tough - I don't think askig people to send letters is tough.

    Talking about organization's successes - IV is not a software company attracting people to buy shares or seek advantage - for the nth time - this is not a software or IT project or a wall street financial. WSe must come out of that mind sets.

    AMAN KAPOOR, JAY PRADHAN, HIMANSHU and everyone who are on the forefront are JUST ORDINARY COMMON PEOPLE LIKE EVERYONE HERE. the idea behind IV is to provide a support network. If people want to see success - they HAVE to be a part of it. The efforts of such organizations is not to make profits and then sell shares and perform well and then make people join it, it is to provide with a platform where people can help themselves.

    We are having issues - green card delays - lets think of it as an ailment that needs to be cured. Now lets do something about it. Lets go to a doctor - a doctor does not guarantee that they will cure u but gives you advice, treats you and gives you medicine and asks you to follow certain protocols. That is exactly what IV is.

    Our primary issue is in our thought process. We want to do everything, we want everything in the world BUT we do not want to stand up and rise in unity. We want to blame IV leaders saying they are rude and pushy. We come up with discussion threads saying we must do this we must do that and finally we see these discussions just getting buried.

    Good examples of how communities thrive anywhere in the world are the Jewish community and the Patel community. The only reason they have succeeded is because they believe in themselves and their cause - they are all over the world and are united, they have managed to make their lives easier by uniting for their causes.

    Look at us - if green card is delayed - we say - I dont care about it, India is rising - but are we going there? No way - no one who says "India is rising" will go - in fat they will be the first to apply for any immigration benefit.

    Why are we individually so highly skilled and intelligent and capable but collectively so naive? Why do we always want others to do it for us? is it because if there is any opposition the active ones will be affected and we can escape? is it cowardice that stops us from being united?

    What is success? How can we achieve success? Why are we finding excuses for not doing our part? Why do we always want to praise others but not do something?





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  • gjoe
    02-16 11:26 PM
    If you want to use AC21 and your current employer is playing dirty tricks like withholding you pay without any legal reason or trying to arm twist you into staying with him please try this following you would win without fail.

    1) Try to negotiate with your employer and make sure you don't compromise on your paid leave balance, last few paychecks and experience letter.
    2) If he is trying to scam you out of as much money as possible before you leave try to preserver all the written communication you had with him to recover your money.
    3) With all that paper work you have enough ammo to get all the money back and shut your bloodsucking employer.
    4) Call the sucker and tell him that you are sending a letter to the USCIS with CC to the president, congressman of your district and your state senator regarding your problem. Add in a couple of news agency names on the CC list just for kicks

    You can never go wrong with this plan, you will get your money back within a few days.

    BTW you can request USCIS to expedite your I485 and quote these kind of employer exploitation as a hardship. ( I never tried this part, who knows you might get your GC ahead of others) I don't know of anyone who has used this successfuly, if you try it please share your experience.

    The plan to get your money works, I have personally tried it. I didn't even send any letters. I just explained him that I will not lose anything even if my GC is denied but the sucker will end up with lots of trouble with USCIS.

    I was trying to build a case to fight ( in the court if required) the sucker but he backed off.



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  • sounakc
    07-22 01:27 PM
    I have been following this thread for last couple of days and I feel I need to make few points. I remember when this amway/qucikstar thing started several of my close friends got entangled and tried to involve me. However, every time I bailed myself out by clearly mentioning to them "Right now, making lot of money is not in my top priorities. I want to focus on my carrier." Fortunately, I was able to fend off the proposals and clearly make my point.

    In this thread, several of you are mentioning to ridicule, diminish, embarrass, and even socially out casting an amway/quickstar member. I feel its going a little bit too far. If you dont like to be in the amway/quickstar business stay clear of it, nobody will be able to force you in it. Setting up anti-amway websites, sharing names of the "bugging" amway members, distributing their phone numbers, and destroying their social reputation is harming the person personally, not the amway/quickstar business. We all know by now the amway/quickstar is a scam, majority of its signed members end up losing valuable time and money. How do you feel if some of your mentioned action emotionally push a distressed person off the cliff. Think about it a bit !!!





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  • humdesi
    11-09 11:07 AM
    Found an interesting thread on this topic in immigrationportal. The post below is by vm_gc who got his GC recently:

    Hi qwerty1111,

    I completely understand where your comment is coming from and respect your comments. But to be fair, i think it's just not appropriate making such comment without completely knowing my situvation.

    I came to this country in 2000 and start working for my current employer, one of the reputed big technology company, in 2000. As the dot com bust started in late 2000, my company stopped applying green cards for employees as per law (since they were not in a position to show not availability of people with my skills and at the same time they started laying off people). But i still chose to stay with my current employer due to the kind of work we do and learning opportunities in my job. Finally my employer applied my GC in 2005 that to non-RIR category (not even RIR category as they still had some issues in applying RIR) as my 6year term was coming near. And this labor is still rotting in the backlog center and i don't know when it will be cleared (and i have already completed my 6year h1b term).

    And in sept 2005, my employer gave me a sub labor, as the labor matched my skills and based on my superior performance (since there were many people similiar to my situvation in my company). This sub labor, i neither bought with money nor with some recommendations. It's completely earned by working hard.

    And the same time, while i was waiting for my labor to be applied, many of friends and people i know of, who came to this country at much later time, went to work for small consultancy companies, applied GC and got GC long time back. How ?. because the small companies don't even follow the laws, can apply GCs in RIR (by showing some junk proofs) and they will open a satelite offices in places like maine, wisconsin (just for their employees GCs) and get the labor approved at a faster rate. While we working at big companies wait for labor to be applied by following strict laws.

    You tell me what is fair in this country, when it comes to immigration process.

    Your situvation could be much worse than me, but that's mainly due to the broken immigration process in country.

    I am not taking any offense on your comments. I wish you good luck and i hope your GC will come through soon.
    __________________
    Sub Labor PD: 8/21/2002, EB2, India
    I-140 : RD 09/22/2005, AD 03/01/2006
    I-485: RD 09/22/2005, AD 11/07/2006
    05/31/2006 : lawyer sent a letter with supporting documents to USCIS for correcting PD on I-140 approval notice. I-140 approval PD shows as 09/22/2005.
    09/14/06: received updated I-140 approval notice with correct PD.
    Finger Prints/Name check - cleared (according to USCIS letter)



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  • jonty_11
    06-28 05:16 PM
    ok u guys have forced me to pose the same question to my HR/Attorney...awaiting response.





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  • ZeroComplexity
    12-13 07:01 PM
    One possible argument someone can make is , if there isn't a per country limit on H1Bs, why should there be one on GCs?


    We can have a lawsuit saying, cap both visa types or cap none.

    If ever this law suit come before a judge, we can potentially win by creating a list of all the lost oppurtunities, lost time and money etc, basically building a human story around the restriction.

    Other than that, I don't think per country qouta violates the constitution.

    Anyways, I am enjoying this thread, very logical arguments in each reply.



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  • sunnymit
    07-30 02:37 PM
    I met this dude in Secaucus (NJ) Walmart yesterday. I was looking for an ice-cream so he pretended to do the same. Smiled at me once and then just as I was walking away from the ice-cream sections comes over with a very nice hello. Started talking to me "as they always do" but I think this time he forgot where he was. First asked me "Do you know where is a Walmart around here?", quickly realized he is in one right now, checked, and continued, "I mean, this is one but do you know another one around here?". Then "Do you know when this closes", "Is this 24/7 walmart". I mean.. seriously dude! You think I am the best person to answer those questions for you - why? Best of all, he says he just moved here from Harrison (NJ) which is like 5 miles from the Walmart he was in!

    Totally confused this guys, me thinks :)





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  • h1techSlave
    09-23 03:32 PM
    No matter what the incremental benefit is, I think its blatantly unfair (like it was blatantly unfair to push some people to labor backlog centers and approving people with later PDs first) to change the rules of engagement and prioritization midway through the process and give preference to someone based on an ability to invest certain $$s in an house.......buying a house is a commercial and lifestyle decision........should not be a precursor to a USCIS adjudication.......


    Actually you are right that such a proposal is not fair. But putting country quota is also not fair, when we are talking about EB GCs. And like you said, BECs were also not fair. So the whole EB thingie is pretty badly messed up. We are suggesting the Congress a way (an unfair way) to get out of this mess.



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  • lc2004
    09-23 04:22 PM
    the day this becomes law..it would be better for all of us go home, bcos tht means lawmakers are ready to do anything to get some money and they know this country has gone down beyond repair.
    and the day it becomes law..i am sure the situation in this country will be so bad tht most of us wont even have jobs at tht time.





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  • alisa
    02-18 12:10 PM
    Also all arguments came out of UnitedNations unfortunately are already present and deep seated in a very large %age of our compatriots....That is the main reason behind the less mobilization......

    I differ with you again, my friend.
    The main reason(s) behind less mobilization is this. Pappu described this on a different thread.

    1) Ignorance about the true nature of the problem
    People like you and I don't know that without a change in the laws, they won't get their greencards for another 10-20 years.

    2) Lack of faith and understanding of the system
    People like you and I, once they know that they are getting screwed, think that the situation is hopeless. They don't understand that the merits of our case (you alluded to them in your previous posts, the demographic shift due to the baby boomers retiring requires skilled labor in this country), is sufficient to warrant a sympathetic ear to us in the congress. We CAN freaking get out of the mess we are in.

    We have to accept these two problems. And then we have to address them. How do we do that? Thats the big question.



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  • vdlrao
    09-15 02:42 AM
    Year, TOT_LBRS, Certified, LBR_INDIA PD_>_10/1/2001
    2000 074048 70204 ????? 0
    2001 082139 77921 ????? 0
    2002 089168 79784 ????? 7873
    2003 095299 62912 ????? 25956
    2004 098866 43582 ????? 26569
    2005 014253 06133 01350 6133
    2006 105960 79782 22298 79782
    2007 098753 85112 24573 85112
    2008 061997 21092 07198 21092
    Total 720483 526522 55419 252517



    http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum2-retrogression-priority-dates-and-visa-bulletins/23813-perm-labor-data-analysis.html


    In 2005 there are a total of 01350 labors certified only for India.
    In 2006 there are a total of 22298 labors certified only for India.

    The other important thing here to note down is there are many outsourcing companies out there filed/filing GCs for their so called managers in EB1 category.





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  • Blessing&Lifeisbeautiful
    07-24 05:26 PM
    Agree with few points in your argument though overall it went little overboard. Whisky Line??? Are you implying there are no lines in US? Ever heard about GC Line???????:)))))) :D Tell me about it I havent waited for 5 to 7 yrs in India for anything and not got it. Maximum I waited would be Tirupati temple for 12-14 hrs:)

    BLIB



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  • Sunx_2004
    12-07 01:29 PM
    Very good idea, with interest rate going down there is an opportunity for those who are looking to buy the house.
    And for those who already have house, If their green card messed up than you see more foreclosures.
    No matter, who are planning to buy house or who already bought house both will contribute to the economy in their own way.


    I guess many have given up and many are just trying to hang on to their jobs ..but don't give up ..just think about the peace of mind that a GC gives ..no more headaches from lawyers, USCIS, RFE's, employers, DL etc ..at the very least comment on this idea but before you dismiss it come up with a better idea (it is very stupid of people who just criticize but don't come up with alternative ideas).
    ----------------
    what if all immigrants and members were to call their local realtors - show interest in buying a house and once the realtor is interested ..tell her / him that you are postponing your home buying decision since the green card has got delayed ..and maybe ask him / her to tell the NAR (national realtor agency) to speak about speeding green cards to legal immigrants who are already here ??
    ...if people are motivated then maybe we can do media campaign too ..
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    the above idea does not need any money / members can do it from the comfort of their homes ..please comment and either support this or come up with better idea ..Thanks in advance !!!
    (if the idea sounds good ..then all members can spread the word in their community - i.e. temples, churches, local potlucks, subdivision, apartment, AMWAY meetings etc etc ..at the very least IV membership will increase)





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  • msp1976
    02-18 09:43 PM
    This is actually a pretty good argument/statistic. However; it isn't specific to employment base but rather to worldwide level of immigration from all sources.

    In my opinion, it is more relevant to EB immigration....To support a higher number of benefit recipient you need a higher number of EB immigrant who are more likely to be productive that FB immigrants.....

    Now that is equivalent of passing judgment on FB immigrants as being unproductive.....I know I am going to get flak on that...





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  • eb3retro
    07-22 09:12 AM
    not really..i think we want to give a benefit of doubt to the amway person not to do this and lose our friendship (esp when close friends do this to you). We know how to be tough. Been there done that. I came to a conclusion that people who cannot understand the value of friendship can never be true friends. Esp when my close friend spoiled his friendship with me due to amway.

    We desis are too polite and can't say NO easily like others. I have learnt to say NO in the US now, makes my life much easier....be nice and say no politely.





    bitu72
    10-04 12:04 AM
    thanks amisha..any idea about the identity card number is it the ssn number we have in US. i can fill in that number and make a copy and get it notarized.





    bobzibub
    04-04 10:14 AM
    As a Canuck:
    It is an honor that you folks choose my country to live in.
    Temporarily, or permanent, I hope it works out.
    Every country has its warts. (Mine has them too) but the immigrants to a country are what give it life.

    For the Doctors, check out some rural areas various provinces. I think they have programs that ease the regulatory burden.

    Welcome!
    -b



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