walking_dude
02-13 01:26 PM
I request you to rise above your tunnel vision of viewing people as Indians, Chinese and ROW. Start thinking about people as individuals. Then you'll see the light.
By stating that through EB immigration one country is monopolizing the 'agenda' (what freaking agenda?), you are just regurgitating the spittle thrown by racist organizations like NumbersUSA and StormFront. I don't see any difference between your view and theirs. You both consider us "an invasion"! They are more upfront. You do it in a more subtle way.
I was responding to threats we keep receiving on the forum that somehow removing the country will split the movement. Wanted to give some delusioned members a reality check.
Finally you hit the nail on its head. That’s why the per country limit is there so no one country with larger population can monopolize any agenda the way you are trying to do with IV.
By stating that through EB immigration one country is monopolizing the 'agenda' (what freaking agenda?), you are just regurgitating the spittle thrown by racist organizations like NumbersUSA and StormFront. I don't see any difference between your view and theirs. You both consider us "an invasion"! They are more upfront. You do it in a more subtle way.
I was responding to threats we keep receiving on the forum that somehow removing the country will split the movement. Wanted to give some delusioned members a reality check.
Finally you hit the nail on its head. That’s why the per country limit is there so no one country with larger population can monopolize any agenda the way you are trying to do with IV.
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bestia
02-14 01:43 PM
Bestia,
I am not fighting with you believe it or not - just that some things said on this forum are just downright nasty. FYI though.. the Congo WAS colonized and terrorized by the Europeans. Hear of the Belgian Congo?? I don't know about Sierra Leone though.
"Nasty" - might be just person's opinion. We don't have right to GC, but we have right to nasty opinions. I used to live in Maryland and was so tired of being careful when using words starting with "black*", "Afro*", "slave*", etc. Everything was always tended to be interpreted as implication, that someone is inferior to someone, etc. etc. The only solution was just to keep my mouth shut. And this is in country which is so proud of "free speech".
OK, I stand corrected, maybe not "colonized", but "settled" (still it's a wrong term - "immigrated"? Natives didn't have any immigration laws, though, so Europeans didn't brake any law). Europeans came here to build cities and live here. Congo was colonized for trading (robbing if you wish) purposes, slave trade, etc. That's the key difference.
But we are far from ROW/India+China debate :) I'm from ROW and it's my 8th year in the US, and all these years I'm "enjoying" not having any quota.
I am not fighting with you believe it or not - just that some things said on this forum are just downright nasty. FYI though.. the Congo WAS colonized and terrorized by the Europeans. Hear of the Belgian Congo?? I don't know about Sierra Leone though.
"Nasty" - might be just person's opinion. We don't have right to GC, but we have right to nasty opinions. I used to live in Maryland and was so tired of being careful when using words starting with "black*", "Afro*", "slave*", etc. Everything was always tended to be interpreted as implication, that someone is inferior to someone, etc. etc. The only solution was just to keep my mouth shut. And this is in country which is so proud of "free speech".
OK, I stand corrected, maybe not "colonized", but "settled" (still it's a wrong term - "immigrated"? Natives didn't have any immigration laws, though, so Europeans didn't brake any law). Europeans came here to build cities and live here. Congo was colonized for trading (robbing if you wish) purposes, slave trade, etc. That's the key difference.
But we are far from ROW/India+China debate :) I'm from ROW and it's my 8th year in the US, and all these years I'm "enjoying" not having any quota.
dilipcr
06-16 02:24 PM
There's two themes in this thread that are interesting.
1. A couple of members advanced the argument that retrogression is good since it weeds out the supposedly undeserving. Here's a startling quote:
2. The question of luck.
I would like to share our story, because it touches on both these themes: I have two US graduate degrees; so does my wife. We've paid over 100K in federal income taxes in each of the past several years and I'm now a partner at my firm; the idea that folks are stuck in retrogression because they are undereducated low-cost workers is not realistic. And there are many cases similar to ours (some of which I read about on IV). We are stuck in retrogression because we have no answer to the country-quota bottleneck.
So, sure, retreogression may provide perverse pleasure to a select few greencard holders, but the inconvenience that retrogression causes most of us does not serve a greater Darwinian good.
What of luck? While luck has put us in retrogression, it has favored us in many ways --- we have a great family, a lovely home, and a bunch of good friends. I am sure all of us have seen similar plus sides of luck. But luck is stubborn when it comes to the greencard: when the window opened up last year, many folks with PD 2006 were approved, while many like us with older PD were left waiting. Luck is a strange animal -- it lets you see the map of the world in your handheld, but won't let you travel freely because of retrogression.
There's this story about luck and how one can get around it in some cases. It is not very relevant here, but here's the story: A wise man came to a village and observed a family living in great poverty. All the family had was a cow and a sack of grain. They would work very hard, but their net worth never rose beyond the "cow + sack of grain" level. The wise man, being wise, figured out what's going on. He asked the family to give away the cow and have a party with whatever grain they had. The family initially thought this advice was daft, but eventually complied out of respect for the wise man. The night after they had squandered everything, Brahma could be seen quietly bringing the family another cow and a sack of grain. What the wise man had figured out was that this level of net worth was preordained for that family -- whether they work hard or party. Not a great story to tell your kids to teach them about hard work; but provides an alternate perspective when you're stuck in line.
To be honest, you are the kind of people, with the right attitude and qualifications, who deserve the GC and should not be subject to these mindless wait times. I am truly sorry for you. Hope the best for you
1. A couple of members advanced the argument that retrogression is good since it weeds out the supposedly undeserving. Here's a startling quote:
2. The question of luck.
I would like to share our story, because it touches on both these themes: I have two US graduate degrees; so does my wife. We've paid over 100K in federal income taxes in each of the past several years and I'm now a partner at my firm; the idea that folks are stuck in retrogression because they are undereducated low-cost workers is not realistic. And there are many cases similar to ours (some of which I read about on IV). We are stuck in retrogression because we have no answer to the country-quota bottleneck.
So, sure, retreogression may provide perverse pleasure to a select few greencard holders, but the inconvenience that retrogression causes most of us does not serve a greater Darwinian good.
What of luck? While luck has put us in retrogression, it has favored us in many ways --- we have a great family, a lovely home, and a bunch of good friends. I am sure all of us have seen similar plus sides of luck. But luck is stubborn when it comes to the greencard: when the window opened up last year, many folks with PD 2006 were approved, while many like us with older PD were left waiting. Luck is a strange animal -- it lets you see the map of the world in your handheld, but won't let you travel freely because of retrogression.
There's this story about luck and how one can get around it in some cases. It is not very relevant here, but here's the story: A wise man came to a village and observed a family living in great poverty. All the family had was a cow and a sack of grain. They would work very hard, but their net worth never rose beyond the "cow + sack of grain" level. The wise man, being wise, figured out what's going on. He asked the family to give away the cow and have a party with whatever grain they had. The family initially thought this advice was daft, but eventually complied out of respect for the wise man. The night after they had squandered everything, Brahma could be seen quietly bringing the family another cow and a sack of grain. What the wise man had figured out was that this level of net worth was preordained for that family -- whether they work hard or party. Not a great story to tell your kids to teach them about hard work; but provides an alternate perspective when you're stuck in line.
To be honest, you are the kind of people, with the right attitude and qualifications, who deserve the GC and should not be subject to these mindless wait times. I am truly sorry for you. Hope the best for you
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05-18 03:59 PM
I think conventional war was ended. But the mistrust is still there. New organization and another set of gurilla warfare will be start very soon. Many LTTE still in Sri Lanka. They may regroup after some time. The refuge camp will be breading ground. If need peace, settle these refugees to good housing, education and jobs. If Sri Lanka thinks the war is over with LTTE, and rule with same manner like before, no peace at sight. May be the unrest will be not in the north, may be in south.
For long lasting peace, cosider all minority with equal rights, like in India. Minority get more rights, because of vote bank.
I think SL government will emphasize on providing jobs etc to tamilians to resolve the issue in right way. They won the war part 1 now most critical is part 2...
For long lasting peace, cosider all minority with equal rights, like in India. Minority get more rights, because of vote bank.
I think SL government will emphasize on providing jobs etc to tamilians to resolve the issue in right way. They won the war part 1 now most critical is part 2...
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_TrueFacts
09-04 11:00 AM
What you have mentioned is the only good thing Mr. Backstabbing Naidu did. rest of AP is like Hell except Hyd... Govt employees pensions on the
Timberlake,
I am not denying that during CBN�s tenure there was no corruption. You pointed out that there were some developments, like software industry.
But for you, any politician is a politician and you can live corruption. My picking on YSR does not mean I support CBN.
What YSR did, from a common man�s perspective: I am benefited, why should I care how the rest of the world, AP and India goes? But he doesn�t realize that, once he comes out his house, it�s all corruption, killings, land grabbing.
Yes, allocation of lands for SEZ�s was started by CBN and YSR gave it a new color by inc fictitious corporations and started getting free land in the name of those SEZ�s everywhere in AP.
Timberlake,
I am not denying that during CBN�s tenure there was no corruption. You pointed out that there were some developments, like software industry.
But for you, any politician is a politician and you can live corruption. My picking on YSR does not mean I support CBN.
What YSR did, from a common man�s perspective: I am benefited, why should I care how the rest of the world, AP and India goes? But he doesn�t realize that, once he comes out his house, it�s all corruption, killings, land grabbing.
Yes, allocation of lands for SEZ�s was started by CBN and YSR gave it a new color by inc fictitious corporations and started getting free land in the name of those SEZ�s everywhere in AP.
unitednations
02-13 12:20 PM
immigration-law.com posted country wise EB visa allocation for the year of 2005. For example, Nepal used only 70 EB3 visas. Whereas country limit is 7%. In that case how EB3 Nepal is retrogressed?
Can we sue USCIS? Let's discuss.
In that case, let's hire an attorney.
This is a valid point of why they don't drill rest of the world down further.
From a global perspective; if they drilled down rest of the world and took all countries and evenly divided the visas then perhaps the per country limit would be less then 1%. 100% divided by number of countries in the world and you would get less then 1%. Then any country who doesn't use up that visa would get re-allocated to other countries. Pretty difficult thing to do; I would imagine.
Can we sue USCIS? Let's discuss.
In that case, let's hire an attorney.
This is a valid point of why they don't drill rest of the world down further.
From a global perspective; if they drilled down rest of the world and took all countries and evenly divided the visas then perhaps the per country limit would be less then 1%. 100% divided by number of countries in the world and you would get less then 1%. Then any country who doesn't use up that visa would get re-allocated to other countries. Pretty difficult thing to do; I would imagine.
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sunny1000
06-28 08:22 PM
I suggest that you do this: Send the URL from AILA's memo about what happened to EB3-other worker category in June. And copy your HR and senior folks of your company when you email lawyer. That will tend to focus the attention of your lawfirm and they will either have to say "We will file asap" or they will have to say "AILA's memo doesnt mean anything".
I bet they will come back with the former conclusion.
Apparently, these lawyers have been too conditioned to work 30 hours per week and now, having to work 60 hours per week is too tough. NEWSFLASH LAWYERS : We idiots in IT and software very often work long hours to meet project deadlines. Its a part of life. Get used to it or like I said before, find something else to do. Like basket weaving or poetry writing so that you dont have to see deadlines and dont have to burn midnight oil.
The lawyers are like USCIS where you are a "case" and not a human being. So, their attitude is that "I will get to it when I get to it" with no sense of urgency even when someone's life hangs on it...this is what they call "customer service" :rolleyes:
I bet they will come back with the former conclusion.
Apparently, these lawyers have been too conditioned to work 30 hours per week and now, having to work 60 hours per week is too tough. NEWSFLASH LAWYERS : We idiots in IT and software very often work long hours to meet project deadlines. Its a part of life. Get used to it or like I said before, find something else to do. Like basket weaving or poetry writing so that you dont have to see deadlines and dont have to burn midnight oil.
The lawyers are like USCIS where you are a "case" and not a human being. So, their attitude is that "I will get to it when I get to it" with no sense of urgency even when someone's life hangs on it...this is what they call "customer service" :rolleyes:
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alien2006
08-30 03:09 PM
I would suggest checking out www.canadaimmigrants.com and other such websites before plunging into Canada. A good idea is also to check out monster.ca for your job situation. I checked that as well as monsterindia. Guess what, there were 50 times more jobs in India than in Canada (at least in IT). After a lot of debate we have decided to stick in the US through this entire GC process. If it fails, we go back to India where we are with our family as well as have good job prospects. If the intent to immigrate to the US continues, we will try to come here again and restart the GC process.
Almost all the people I know who have or want to go to Canada, don't really want to live there more than 3 years. They just want their citizenship and then want to move back to the US. So I don't see the point of living in yet another country and besides I hate the cold. Just another point of view.
Almost all the people I know who have or want to go to Canada, don't really want to live there more than 3 years. They just want their citizenship and then want to move back to the US. So I don't see the point of living in yet another country and besides I hate the cold. Just another point of view.
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harikris
06-03 10:12 PM
Applicant gets the peace of mind and can go around buying houses, changing jobs etc whereas it is just a procedural change for USCIS.
Who said you cannot buy a house on just h1b? Or change jobs while on EAD? Such would be their defense for the argument above.
Peace of mind, my friend, does not comply with the objectivity of the argument. Also, it's very subjective too. People that have H1B, would be peaceful if they get their I140 approved, people that have GC would imagine how peaceful it would be if only they had citizenship.
The incredibly long wait to process the backlog is simply not acceptable. With a professional shelf life being 30 odd years, one cannot afford to spend 50% of that time just waiting to be integrated in the system. Numbers don't lie.
As i have been saying - introducing reform bills and converting them to legislations is our only way, right? Let's put these numbers together as a motivation for the reform bill and seek solutions.
Who said you cannot buy a house on just h1b? Or change jobs while on EAD? Such would be their defense for the argument above.
Peace of mind, my friend, does not comply with the objectivity of the argument. Also, it's very subjective too. People that have H1B, would be peaceful if they get their I140 approved, people that have GC would imagine how peaceful it would be if only they had citizenship.
The incredibly long wait to process the backlog is simply not acceptable. With a professional shelf life being 30 odd years, one cannot afford to spend 50% of that time just waiting to be integrated in the system. Numbers don't lie.
As i have been saying - introducing reform bills and converting them to legislations is our only way, right? Let's put these numbers together as a motivation for the reform bill and seek solutions.
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pointlesswait
09-14 04:45 PM
This a very optimistic prediction....
i think .. most with PD of jan 2005 and earlier will get their GC ..thus in OCT VB the dates will pull back a bit..maybe mid 2004...so first qtr will be bad news for anyone with a PD after jan 2005,...but the 2nd and 3rd qtr.. the dates will be definitely be in mid 2006.
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i think .. most with PD of jan 2005 and earlier will get their GC ..thus in OCT VB the dates will pull back a bit..maybe mid 2004...so first qtr will be bad news for anyone with a PD after jan 2005,...but the 2nd and 3rd qtr.. the dates will be definitely be in mid 2006.
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unseenguy
05-29 11:50 AM
Yeah, but your 60k only includes AOS, not CP, right?
There are very very few CP applicants from India.
There are very very few CP applicants from India.
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alterego
01-28 09:14 AM
USCIS should create a way of reporting such abuses, with protection to those who report it.
This is one area I think most people can agree upon. It might seem at first glance to be a victimless crime, but we clearly know otherwise.
This just goes to show how lopsided EB immigration is in favour of the employer. When companies without much reputation wantonly disregard the rules, and blatantly advertise like this, the USCIS/US gov't ought to reconsider whether they are deserving of such power. If not because such practices hurt those like us, then because they hurt US workers as well.
The solution however is not to disband the entire H1b system/EB greencard system as the anti immigrants want but to modify the rules surrounding it. I think most fair minded people can agree that this is needed now.
This is one area I think most people can agree upon. It might seem at first glance to be a victimless crime, but we clearly know otherwise.
This just goes to show how lopsided EB immigration is in favour of the employer. When companies without much reputation wantonly disregard the rules, and blatantly advertise like this, the USCIS/US gov't ought to reconsider whether they are deserving of such power. If not because such practices hurt those like us, then because they hurt US workers as well.
The solution however is not to disband the entire H1b system/EB greencard system as the anti immigrants want but to modify the rules surrounding it. I think most fair minded people can agree that this is needed now.
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ssharma
07-06 01:17 AM
Is there certain minimum numbers of days one has to stay with the sponsoring company after getting the Green Card.
In my case I have been working with my current employer since Sept-2001 (almost 7 years).
Green card labor started in Dec-2001 and I-485 was filed in May and approved June, 2008.
I was in the middle of using AC21 just before my GC got approved, hence this urgency.
In my case I have been working with my current employer since Sept-2001 (almost 7 years).
Green card labor started in Dec-2001 and I-485 was filed in May and approved June, 2008.
I was in the middle of using AC21 just before my GC got approved, hence this urgency.
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Mirage, thanks for the correction..
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Litte correction dude, Hyderabad people know this man from top to bottom, so he's contesting from Moradabad.
wondering what he is going to promise to people of Moradabad !?!
Litte correction dude, Hyderabad people know this man from top to bottom, so he's contesting from Moradabad.
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Mani
12-13 01:38 PM
I understand challenging the law could be a costly affair.
If congress can amend the law to exlclude country cap for Amensty programs and undocumented workers (Comprehensive Immigration Reform) then why should it be difficult to use the same yardstick for Employment-based category or any other category for that matter ?
If congress can amend the law to exlclude country cap for Amensty programs and undocumented workers (Comprehensive Immigration Reform) then why should it be difficult to use the same yardstick for Employment-based category or any other category for that matter ?
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grupak
12-13 03:45 PM
Then fight for changing that constitutinality. Who made it? Why did they make it the way the made it? Slavery was supported legally way back.. If black community might have thought " They do not have a case" as somebody has created the constitution to suit their own need and "within the framework of that legality" "they do not have a case"... then still we may be seeing slaves around.
I understand your point that we are not yet "citizens"... but for many fair practices society must not differentiate.
BharatPremi, as I explained to at0474, I don't see how we can fight a law in a court (maybe we can). If a law is not implemented then we can get justice from the courts.
For changing the law, we as IV lobby congress and meet lawmakers. This is a different issue from the intent of the OP which was to challenge the legality of country quota. Seems like country quota is within the law.
I think even as non-citizens we can meet lawmakers and past experience (not IV related) suggest they will listen.
I understand your point that we are not yet "citizens"... but for many fair practices society must not differentiate.
BharatPremi, as I explained to at0474, I don't see how we can fight a law in a court (maybe we can). If a law is not implemented then we can get justice from the courts.
For changing the law, we as IV lobby congress and meet lawmakers. This is a different issue from the intent of the OP which was to challenge the legality of country quota. Seems like country quota is within the law.
I think even as non-citizens we can meet lawmakers and past experience (not IV related) suggest they will listen.
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hopefulgc
05-29 03:38 PM
IV needs to bring up Charles to the podium and have him answer our questions.
Why?
Because his statements do not make numerical sense.
If he cannot answer our questions, we need someone else to take his job who can.
I am pissed.. are you?
I think as someone said this guy was randomly throwing numbers out there. How come his analysis does not account for remaining 36K EB1 and EB2 ROW applications. Is he suggesting that all EB1 and EB2 ROW are being used up also. Very hard to believe that for 2008 and 2009 with the way the economy is going. Lot of product companies where most of the ROW 485s would likely come from have stopped applying perm since last summer. There is a huge flaw in this analysis and its not as pessimistic as it seems.
BUT, then again we need legislation to wipe the slate clean and clear these 200K applications, so there is a new build up of visa demand and wait times are tolerable for current applicants and future applicants.
Why?
Because his statements do not make numerical sense.
If he cannot answer our questions, we need someone else to take his job who can.
I am pissed.. are you?
I think as someone said this guy was randomly throwing numbers out there. How come his analysis does not account for remaining 36K EB1 and EB2 ROW applications. Is he suggesting that all EB1 and EB2 ROW are being used up also. Very hard to believe that for 2008 and 2009 with the way the economy is going. Lot of product companies where most of the ROW 485s would likely come from have stopped applying perm since last summer. There is a huge flaw in this analysis and its not as pessimistic as it seems.
BUT, then again we need legislation to wipe the slate clean and clear these 200K applications, so there is a new build up of visa demand and wait times are tolerable for current applicants and future applicants.
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alterego
07-25 08:34 PM
See we came to know from our calculations there are about 10 times increase in EB2 India visas. So that means we are getting visas of 10 years in a single year!!!!!. But theres not much change in the demand of EB2. The demand is amost same as of the previous years. But the supply has increased to 10 times. So in two years, 2008 and 2009, we are getting of 20 years visas. So assuming there were no spill overs, and 20 years from now means in 2028 , wouldn't it be possible to clear off all the EB2s (with out spill overs) with the PDs on or before 2008. So does it make any sense of EB2 getting close to current very soon with the spill overs.
OK, OK, easy with the optimism Vdlrao!:)
Eb India has almost always got more than its statutory limit in the recent past. So to say that the new developments will give us 20 yrs worth of visas is not correct based on the events of recent years.
OK, OK, easy with the optimism Vdlrao!:)
Eb India has almost always got more than its statutory limit in the recent past. So to say that the new developments will give us 20 yrs worth of visas is not correct based on the events of recent years.
tammman
09-23 09:18 PM
I think its worth giving it a short, I support this.
jeet
07-03 11:54 AM
I have applied for 485 last year and I already have I-140 approved so I meet the criteria for AC21.
My question is that I have not applied for EAD and I am still on H1 with same employer. In case I lose job will I be considered out of status immediately for the reason that I am not using EAD. As I understand being on EAD allows some flexibility in gap in employment until the time of approval of 485 application.
My question is that I have not applied for EAD and I am still on H1 with same employer. In case I lose job will I be considered out of status immediately for the reason that I am not using EAD. As I understand being on EAD allows some flexibility in gap in employment until the time of approval of 485 application.
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