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  • dilipcr
    06-11 05:11 PM
    To be honest, I do agree that the US needs qualified people with skillsets. The real question is "Are the people from the desi consulting companies the real qualified lot ? " Just to get my background details out of the way. I am a new member, from India ofcourse, and I have recently applied for my citizenship. Now with this huge deluge of immigrants, especially from the desi consulting companies, I feel that my quality of life is getting adversely impacted. Do not rush to conclusions that I am anti Indian or anti immigrant. 12 years back when I first got my H1 visa, the requirements to qualify were strict. Staffing companies to a decent extent followed rules and tried to get the best and the brightest. Once the dot com boom started, people from all walks of life entered IT. This was true of not just the Indians but also of people in the US. Soon after the bust, the value proposition from these staffing companies was simply low cost. This is not to blame the staffing companies. They behaved in an economically rational way.

    Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.

    In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.

    In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.





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  • mantric
    12-13 12:36 PM
    Here's the percentages of the top 10 populations of the world by nationality. How many of them are more than 7% ?

    China 20.0 %
    India 17.2 %
    United States 4.6 %
    Indonesia 3.4 %
    Brazil 2.8 %
    Pakistan 2.6 %
    Nigeria 2.5 %
    Russia 2.2 %
    Bangladesh 2.1 %
    Japan 2.0 %

    Based on this one can conclude that the 7% nationality rule is a veiled effort to limit Indian and Chinese immigrants specifically. Does this not amount to discrimination by nationality ? In addition we as legal immigrants are taxed without any representation. Taxation without representation was the reason the US was created in the first place.

    US history is full of examples where discrimination existed in one form or another and these discriminations were sucessfully challenged. A few examples are women's voting rights, minority voting rights and gerrymandering. These are good examples to study where the affected people had no legal voice to begin with.

    The civil rights movement is a recent example. There were existing laws that limited people from voting based on their literacy levels in the southern states. The literacy requirement for voting was really a thinly veiled attempt to limit voting rights of african americans for as long as possible. The civil rights movement was about changing these artificial laws to give voting rights to people who legally had no voice.
    http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting/intro/intro_c.htm

    You don't need to be a lawyer to speak up for your hardships as a law abiding resident. This country has tremendous protections for people living here which is what makes it great. We as an immigrant community need to build our awareness of US history and government if we expect things to change.





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  • paskal
    12-14 05:55 PM
    it's clear as pointed out above that we peters and pauls here.
    iv is not striving to remove country qiota in isolation.
    that said, those who benefit will always justify it. it is human.
    my personal view remains the same: discriminating between two individuals by country of origin is wrong. period.
    thie country recognizes that fact in EVERYTHING, except immigration, and that has a long history of fear and restriction behind it.
    i guess until one feels the effects of being on the "wrong side of the fence" it's hard to see this picture.

    meanwhile this is going too far and i will close this thread forewith. wake up people - there is barely any difference in EB3 india and ROW...so what's the deal with swamping? and if one country gets more GC numbers...maybe ...horrors...it's because it has more applicants???

    those who support this "diversity" crap- you will find your own "quotas" somewhere sometime someday for sure. then please remember that it's ok to take away from you and give others for any chosen reason....

    i get the last word. sorry! :-)





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  • NKR
    02-15 06:32 PM
    You are not saying there are more chinese and indians here, so that means what? that there are not more chinese and indians here?
    As you said half the world population is indian or chinese and I'm saying this, rather than pure skill, is why there are more of them here. This is why I repeatedly protest your reference to only skills and brightness as the factor for the non balanced EB population.
    If the world population is the reference, the US would have to take half of its immigrants from 2 countries, they clearly don't want that so they conciously set that rule.. u need them to change the rule u need to give them a reason that's useful for them not for you.

    I understand your anxiety as much as you feel our pain, if there is a system that can make things faster for all of us in any way then be it.

    Oh btw, I was shopping for life insurance. I was told that since I am not a permanent resident and if i do not want to pay higher premium then i need to go for a 10 term insurance and get a new one for 30 years after I get my GC. if i become old waiting for GC then I will end
    up paying higher premium anyway. that is just one of the many hardships we have to endure, by then, why should you care anyway?, what is in it for you?.

    Please note that i am not in favor of removing country cap, but i just want things to move faster without affecting people from ROW





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  • cps060
    03-19 05:31 PM
    I also have my canadian PR. I know that I have to physically stay in CA for 2 years out of 5 to keep it alive. My question is if I enter just before my fourth year and live only for one year in CA .... what would happen ? At the end of fifth year when my PR card expires, will I have to leave CA ? Or is there any other visa on which I can move to or is there a way to re-apply for PR in the last year itself ?

    Basically bcuz of the retregression I want to go to CA but I have seen so many -ve posts about job scene that I am apprehensive. Hence was wondering if I can wait till the fourth year and still this GC mess is not solved would it be possible somehow to stay in CA beyond the fifth year.



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  • Amma
    05-12 01:01 AM
    Friends,

    The ongoing war between Srilanka and LTTE has grand Indian design and help to Srilanka.
    To defeat the so called terrorist organisation LTTE, the whole world is helping Srilanka.
    Sonia Gandhi want to avenge the death of her husband.She won't mind killing of thousands of innocent civilians to satisfy her loss in her family. The able primeminister Manmohan singh also became and acting like dumb puppet in this issue.The so called world tamil leader Karunanidhi also joining with Sonia and ditching srilankan tamils.

    Two sikhs killed our primeminister Indira. Did we start killing sikhs enmass like the slaughtering of innocent civilians in Srilanka ?.Instead we made Manmohansingh as our primeminister and we are proud of him. That is the real Indian spirit.

    LTTE is the creation due to discrimination of Srilankan's Singala only policy.Srilankan tamils fight for their just right in non-violent way initially.When that non-violence activities were crushed by Srilankan government , the disillusioned tamil youths took arms.

    Though LTTE did many atrocities, the Srilankan government is not Buddha. They killed many, raped many and encroached the traditional tamil lands.

    Even if the present war won by Srilanka government, that country is not going to have peace. Even if Prabakaran and LTTE perished in this war , there will be more Prabakarans will emerge. The seeds are being sown by srilankan government atrocities.

    Nelson Mandela was once declared as terrorist by US government.Bagatsingh declared as terrorist by the British.

    Time only will tell who is a terrorist and who is a freedom fighter.

    Proud to be an Indian but ashamed by senseless acts of Sonia and company.





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  • gimme_GC2006
    08-17 02:14 PM
    I think this is blown out of proportion.

    First thing what exactly "detention" means? Did they tie him up upside down for 2 hrs?

    May be they took him to a room, where he waited along with the common man..in India politicians and filmli ones may get to jump the lines and get special treatment..so they never knew what it is like standing in the line.

    SRK should use his common sense and keep quiet rather than making a fuss out of nothing..he is not APJ kalam to demand or deserve special treatment.

    I remember last year, there was a news about SRK making noise in one of the European airports where he was not allowed to board the flight ahead of others and he argued with airlines staff that "I am SRK".

    Note: I am not a fan of SRK..was never and will never be. I am Aamir Khan's fan :)



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  • waitingnwaiting
    01-05 05:16 PM
    Moderators , Pls delete this thread. Why is the thread posted on a immigration forum. :mad:

    Are you one of the the guys selling it? No harm listening to both sides of the argument.





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  • gvenkat
    02-13 02:42 PM
    What ever gave you the idea that EB ROW only wait for 3 years?

    i said on an average.. and that is the fact.. ROW is way better off than India/China... there are always exceptions...



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  • ujjwal_p
    05-11 07:51 PM
    I saying it again, in this country even burning of the national flag is considered a form of protest.



    Dude, you are seriously delusional. The day you try that stunt with the stars and stripes you'll be on Limbaugh, OReilly, Hannity, Glenn Beck, you name it. I don't agree with them but will still love to watch that unfold on TV.





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  • hpandey
    07-21 11:42 AM
    My desi neighbor told me about it recently. What are your experience with Amway Quickstar. Have you guys made money from it?

    Looks like you are too new to the US not to know about the Amway scam artists ..

    Remember if you join even your friends will become your enemies :D

    They are like leeaches .. very hard to get rid off.



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  • _TrueFacts
    09-04 12:59 PM
    breddy2000 and dealsnet,

    Other than picking on posters Id�s, do you guys have any point against YSR �a corrupt, factionist gunda, land grabber who has killed numerous people�

    A far as posting his name, that�s a little web common sense





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  • srkamath
    07-30 09:10 AM
    this makes no sense (with all due respect to Mr Gotcher). He basically claims that PD has been moved to allow CP cases to be processed faster to avoid visa number wastage.. However he also says that there is a huge backlog of AOS cases. Looking at how many CP cases are being called for interview in mumbai and delhi (low hundreds) I dont see how CP alone can help avoid a big wastage of visas. If USCIS is still 20k short, then its the massive pile of AOS cases they should be using, just like they did last year.

    Also, if they waste visa numbers this year, it would be really gross incompetence. EB2-India has gone all the way from 2000 to 2006 this year. They slack off at the start of the year, then scramble in the end. I dont know why they follow this approach knowing full well that right at the end it puts them in a soup.

    This Ron Gotcher guy does not seem to get it.... he has an agenda, I dont buy his logic. It is unlikely that ~ 50 cases at consular posts are enough motivation to move dates forward by two years.

    It took roughly one year for EB2-I dates to advance beyond April04 from the time it first got to April 04.
    We know 2005 is a lean year.
    It is likely that it will take almost a year before EB2-I dates advance beyond June06.
    Those with PD < June06 that do not get a GC by Sep08 can expect to get it by Sep 09. Until then we will see some short term swings between 2003 and 2006.



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  • msp1976
    02-13 03:42 PM
    If they changed the law to have 300,000 visas but there is 400,000 people going for greencard; then there would still be retrogression. The unused visas from ROW would not get allocated quarterly but in the fourth quarter.

    Out of those 400K ....200K happen to be India/China...

    Today's projection for me EB3/India is 7-10 years to get GC....
    with a higher number this would come doen to 2 years ( would it ???)..That is the whole game...EB3 India might not become current but at least EB3 ROW would be current and then the spillover would make EB3 India picture much better....

    Also AC21 allows the spillover to happen quarterly rather than annully...not in the fourth quarter..( Please correct me if I am wrong..)

    Reference
    http://www.fourmilab.ch/uscode/8usc/www/t8-12-II-I-1152.html#_a_
    Look at a(3)

    (3) Exception if additional visas available
    If because of the application of paragraph (2) with respect to one or more foreign states or dependent areas, the total number of visas available under both subsections (a) and (b) of section 1153 of this title for a calendar quarter exceeds the number of qualified immigrants who otherwise may be issued such a visa, paragraph (2) shall not apply to visas made available to such states or areas during the remainder of such calendar quarter.





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  • dealsnet
    09-04 01:45 PM
    So next time of election, take vacation and go home, do campaigning, spend money and vote out the govt. you dislike, if you are real serious.

    Only the people that were part of those grabbings are happier. Let the poor people get back all their lands first and then you guys talk.

    How about all the "Anna's" that were killed by him who came to him when he invited and then killed them mercilessly.

    So, did you mourn when he killed all the "Anna's"? I am sure you would have distributed Sweets when "Anna's" were killed. Right?

    Isn't it Jesus Christ right? Jesus is God and he punished YSR with such a worst killing. Even face could not be recognized.



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  • english_august
    02-16 08:16 AM
    I totally agree...its Modern day slavery!

    You cannot change employers, you cannot travel if you wish (after you apply for H1 ext, you can't leave US till it is approved, even If you have AP to re-enter!), you can't expect promotions, your spouse can't work on H4, No drivers license in some state, ..... BUT WE PAY ALL TAXES, NO EXCEPTIONS! Is it not Modern day slavery ??

    Using bold letters and big font ain't make it so. I agree that the situation is bad but there is not point in taking unjustifiable pity on yourself. Are you being physically stopped from moving to a different state/country/city? If not, then it is not slavery.

    This the era of high-information availability, and there is enough information available on some of the employers and so called "consultants" on how they treat their employees.





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  • amitga
    02-13 10:28 AM
    I think every body who wants to have a class action law suit should commit for $500 towards the expense. Only when we have commitment for $500 with person name and contact info, then we should move forward with the idea of Class action law suit. We need 500 people to commit for this otherwise there is no point in moving forward in this direction.

    There might be some people who will be willing to pay money but not listed as participant, and visa-versa and we should have at least 500 people who are willing to pay.





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  • satyasaich
    01-14 09:56 AM
    My take is BODY SHOPPING is killed.
    H1Bs can work at direct employer or as an employee of direct vendor at off site.

    No more small consulting firms sending resumes to direct vendors. May be in long term its good for H1Bs.

    Mostly Desi consulting firms will get hit. Outsourcing companies like TCS,Infosys are direct vendors to big clients. They will OK ..

    Not just desi consulting co's who makes money just by passing on resumes with a status of 'preferred vendor' / 'partner' etc; but also just look what the big names like Tek systems, Kforce, MOdisIT etc are doing ? they also should be brought to justice in this shameless game of layering / commission based on business . just do not blame only desi co's
    needless to say worst business practices of big 5 from india and i'm not supporting them in any manner, but my point is these american blood sucking layers also should be gone.





    dhesha
    07-29 04:19 PM
    Can anybody explain what is the criteria to take the CP interview? Is there any limitation or condition about who can take CP or not?

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    GCOP
    09-23 01:15 PM
    I agree with this. Please Include Current Homeowners in the proposal, who are already contributing to economy while still waiting for the Greencard. Current Homeowners should not be be left out from the proposal.
    Nixtor,

    I like your idea, but please consider current homeowners as well in your proposal. I understand that if new homeowners are removed from the queue I am standing in, it will benefit me. But seriously, I will not get immediate relief. I will have to continue to wait in some queue for another decade. I have been in the US since 1994, completed 6 years of education and have been employed since 2000. My PD was current for 2 months, I am still sitting here looking at a dismal October Visa Bulletin. Yes, I bought my house 4 years ago. Why can't I be included in this list?

    Should I promise to buy a second home? Will that put me in the category you are proposing?



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