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  • gopalkrishan
    08-03 03:17 PM
    Hi All,

    First of all .. I am not an IBO or anything, but after being approached many a times, I decided to look up what the hell it was .. Attended a couple of their business meetings, researched and found out that upline groups like BWW had subverted the original business model..

    Amway business model is that 1) you sell products to others you get the difference between the IBO price you get and the price you sell the product at... 2) Based on total volume you get a specific share.
    In above model the share you get from volume is not major unless you have a lot of People under you. The main money comes from retailing the product.

    BWW model: The uplines put a lot of pressure not only on getting the folks in, but stress the importance of books/cds, motivational products. They want you to have standing(recurring) order for books/cds and want you to pressure people under you to do that too .. The bulk "profit" comes from these. Amway has nothing to do with these books/cds. Amway has nothing to do with the seminars or business meetings, but your uplines push you to attend "as many meetings as possible" because profits from these also go to them .. Based on the consumption and volume of these additional items under you, a share of these profits may trickle down ..

    When Uplines talk about making money they don't tell you that you are expected to do more than Amway model .. With Amway model, if you simply retail the products (NOT RECRUIT) then that should be enough (difference between IBO and retail price is YOURS).. People do buy stuff; couple of my friends have a repeat order with an Amway guy, for some vitamins sold through amway.. Anyways, Uplines force people to recruit so they have more people to target their motivational products to.

    The red flag for me was (i may have misunderstood) .. The checks don't come directly to you .. Comes to top chain, they take their share and write out checks for lower down the line and so on and so forth (PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG)..

    Anyways .. Amway for me is a subverted business by corrupt people.. Big Lies and false promises :)


    Cheers





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  • jeet
    07-03 11:54 AM
    I have applied for 485 last year and I already have I-140 approved so I meet the criteria for AC21.

    My question is that I have not applied for EAD and I am still on H1 with same employer. In case I lose job will I be considered out of status immediately for the reason that I am not using EAD. As I understand being on EAD allows some flexibility in gap in employment until the time of approval of 485 application.





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  • jonty_11
    06-28 05:16 PM
    ok u guys have forced me to pose the same question to my HR/Attorney...awaiting response.





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  • ramus
    06-28 01:00 PM
    Nope... You can send it on Saturday for 2 day delivery so they will get it on Monday.. When you send it on Saturday , make sure you do 2 days delivery..



    From what i know,your application will not be accepted if it reaches there before July 1st. Since July 1st is a sunday, the earliest you can send it is Monday july 2nd.



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  • amoljak
    10-24 08:55 AM
    Thanks for the reply Amoljak,

    Now if you can please remove all the sarcasm and explain this in more detail in laymen's terms, it would really help me. I mean how is it that atleast 10 members on this site have mentioned people selling and buying LCs LEGALLY! Were they bluffing or are we reading into the law wrongly?

    Thanks

    Lets say you have a company. You apply for some-one's labor. The labor is approved. Then the guy leaves. So you have one approved labor. You can then ask me to give you a "gift" of lets say $30,000 and in due course you will employ me in that position. Technically this is illegal, just like it is to take campaign contributions to vote in a certain way...But in practice it is hard to establish quid pro quo in these cases. More so when the person is willingly paying the money and is not willing to turn on the seller. So people who say you can buy LCs legally are WRONG.





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  • Keeme
    05-01 05:29 PM
    "Tomorrow if we or our generations are getting killed in the US, would you say the same thing" ....

    Of course yes! If our generations are US citizens, US govt should take care of them and if they are part of any terrorist organisation, they should be treated the way terrorists are treated.

    "Country needs to care about its people" ... Its is in your quote ... Issue is about Srilankan's and their goverment should take care of it, NOT India. I don't think any one has a doubt about how LTTE should be handled.

    Agreed but some Govt. fails to do so. IF Govt. were acting resposibly , World wouldn't have seen the WW1 and WW2 and Bosnia-Serbia crisis and countless other masscare !

    One should understand difference b/w ' Srilankan Tamils' and 'LTTE'.



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  • amitjoey
    07-03 04:57 PM
    What did you put in the subject field.. It is very important to have right words in subject field so at least they will open the email and see what's in it..

    "Immigration scandal goes unnoticed"
    or "USCIS drama and tantrum to lessen workload"
    or "Is this legal?"
    or "Resignations due at USCIS"
    or "Foul Play synonym USCIS Play"





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  • msp1976
    02-18 12:37 PM
    I differ with you again, my friend.
    The main reason(s) behind less mobilization is this. Pappu described this on a different thread.

    1) Ignorance about the true nature of the problem
    People like you and I don't know that without a change in the laws, they won't get their greencards for another 10-20 years.

    2) Lack of faith and understanding of the system
    People like you and I, once they know that they are getting screwed, think that the situation is hopeless. They don't understand that the merits of our case (you alluded to them in your previous posts, the demographic shift due to the baby boomers retiring requires skilled labor in this country), is sufficient to warrant a sympathetic ear to us in the congress. We CAN freaking get out of the mess we are in.

    We have to accept these two problems. And then we have to address them. How do we do that? Thats the big question.


    I respect your opinion ...but I refuse to believe that people are ignorant...



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  • ivar
    07-22 02:24 PM
    Is it possible to know who has given red and where do we find the comments.

    I was heart broken too when I got my first red. And I got it just because I agreed with someone that it is not a good idea to staple new passport and old passport together and suggested to use a rubber band to hold the two passports together. The person who gave me a red said in the comments section "I will surely use a rubber band to hold my passports together." Not sure if he was being sarcastic - but I stopped worrying about red dots now.





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  • poorslumdog
    09-04 12:19 PM
    You are showing your contribution in all your postings. Don't have any shame???
    your left hand should not know what your right hand is doing(giving)
    It is typical for many Indians to put their name in cars (even here) and their contribution to temples to be anounced in public address system and put names on any things which they are donated.
    You need to change the style, if you are in Rome, behave like Romas.

    Answer the question directly...Dont give all these crap.



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  • akred
    02-18 12:31 PM
    Reason it was retrogressed is probably everyone was getting everyone of their relatives, etc., to come to USA through employment base. The country quota in my mind is designed to prevent such abuses of people making an end run and designing systems to get people from certain countries here.


    You are theorizing based on circumstantial evidence, but the history and origin of the country quota does not support your conclusion. The fact that the DOL and UCCIS would not be able to keep abreast of illegal behavior is not something that would have been known at the time the country quota was introduced.

    The other issue with your theory is that the abuse you are referring has its roots in the fact that the employer controls the green card process not the country quota. If I really want to abuse the country quota I would change my name and get a fake SSN / green card and wait for the periodic legalization initiatives or even simpler, get a birth certificate from the right country.





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  • vkrishn
    07-27 06:55 PM
    Absolutely. To amway guys:- No means NO/NOT INTERESTED.. PERIOD.. I don't care whether you were flipping burgers or dream to become a millionaire. Do it yourself . Just don't harass people. Next time you will be arrested if you harass people.



    Kushal,
    This whole conversation was not intended to be personal and if it hurt you in any way then we all apologize ,most of the people here might be in or against amway/quixter but they are all more pissed of by the way they are harassed by so called IBO's with the way they treat their prospective clients.
    Why not just move on if somebody says no or gives a excuse to the IBO's, if anybody does
    really feel interested they will ultimately come back to you guys but why harass them with multiple calls and personal visits.

    Note - I would be intersted to see your tax returns :-) email me please since you agreed to.



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  • nashim
    07-15 02:06 PM
    Dear Attorney,

    Is it possible to have 2 different I-485 with 2 different employers at the same time?

    I already have an I-485 pending through my current employer. Is it possible for me to file another I-485 through my future employer?





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  • poorslumdog
    05-03 02:00 AM
    singala racist won't say jai hind... try to come out of that well

    Jaihind

    Good try....try something else now..=:)



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  • Jerrome
    05-13 09:53 AM
    @venetian:

    I was not responding to the Sri Lankan issue - please don't read it as such. As I said, my comment was tangential to the discussion thread. I was just writing about my observation of the behavior and attitude of Tamils in general in India.

    @jerrome:

    Your point about MGR/Jayalalitha/Rajanikanth just proves my point. These people migrated to Tamil Nadu, made it their home and 'assimilated' by learning Tamil and considering themselves Tamil and showing their love for Tamil - they did not become famous in TN by propagating Telugu/Malayalam/Kannada. Now, if only you could provide some examples of the other way around - Tamils who migrated elsewhere and who made the host cultures proud. Can you?

    There definitely are Telugu/Malayalam/Kannada natives in TN - but without exception, they have 'Tamilized' themselves to a great extent to live a normal life. Is the converse true?

    President of Singapore and people living in Singapore. I can go on with the list.

    Can i ask simple question to you. what language you speak at home, which temple you are going in US?

    Let us say after 25 years US is demolishing all the hindu,gurduars and asking everyone to convert to christianity. what will you do? Do you want to mingle into local culture.

    If someone is coming to your home and asking you to eat different food and speak different language and workship different god what will you do? This applies to even a state and to a country?

    Don't talk like a fool preaching immigrants should mingle with the country culture. We are not talking about immigrants here, Native Tamils in SL.

    Tamil people migrated to WestIndies,Fiji, Malay,USA everywhere they are living peacefully, because they have adopted to their immigrated country.


    I really don't know what is the point you are trying to make.





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  • kumar1
    07-11 01:10 AM
    Well, there is just one crieteria, work your ass off and get 40 points.



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  • gude.ravi
    10-10 09:03 AM
    I agree. This is one of the good ideas to do. Most of the people can afford to buy a home in this down market. This idea is better than being badly treated by bad employers.





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  • grupak
    12-14 01:19 PM
    I know. I work for a prestigious law firm and I know how hard it is to become a lawyer.

    Are you a constitutional lawyer or maybe know someone who can help? Yes, we would appreciate knowledgeable input from experts.





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  • garybanz
    12-14 04:03 PM
    His/Her country of origin and the state chapter is not really relevent for this discussion now, is it?
    :cool:

    It actually is. I am talking about an approach which has a chance (quite remote though) of removing the country based quota. You tell me that it is not going to fly.

    Now if you were from a country affected negatively by the quotas then I will take that as suggestions from some one who is in the same boat.

    On the other hand if you are from "ROW" then all your attempts to kill this ideas will make me understand how scared you are of this idea and hence how good this idea really is. :)

    The reason I asked which state chapter you belong to is to check if you are one of the "Real" IV members...coz there is a lot of people who are on this forum for a completely different purpose.





    krishnam70
    07-10 01:42 PM
    Wish you the very best byeusa......

    I might be moving to Canada next summer if there is no progress in my case here...My PD is Nov 2003 EB-3...I got my Canadian PR in May 2005 and I have until May 2008 to move.....So keeping my fingers crossed..I too work for a Canadian company in US.....Wish you good luck...


    we have until july 2008 to move in to canada, lets see its probably bye bye usa if something does not happen until then. tired of waiting for this elusive GC, my story is verry verry similar to byeusa..





    gjoe
    02-15 09:38 AM
    Modern Day Slavery in the 21st century

    Any person who is restricted from making travel choices, employer choice, personal choices beneficial to himself and his family, just because his employer or the goverment is restricting him in some form to make monetary benefit for itself, is called a slave.
    I have reached the critical mass in me to take this up on my own, any legal advice and moral support from you guys would be appreciated.

    Thanks

    The current situation is a gross voilation of the constitutional right of employment at will. This amounts to Involuntary servitude which is a more techincal term for slavery. Read yourself the definition of both and make your own judgement.

    In my view (though crazy and totaly impractical) the law suit should be against all the employers because they are the one who represent Govt/USCIS in processing our Green cards. Employers told us that we will process your greencard and you will be a PR in x number of years and now that x is infinite.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will)

    At-will employment is a doctrine of American law that defines an employment relationship in which either party can terminate the relationship with no liability if there was no express contract for a definite term governing the employment relationship. Under this legal doctrine:

    “ any hiring is presumed to be "at will"; that is, the employer is free to discharge individuals "for good cause, or bad cause, or no cause at all," and the employee is equally free to quit, strike, or otherwise cease work.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Involuntary_servitude :

    Involuntary servitude is a United States legal and constitutional term for a person laboring against that person's will to benefit another, under some form of coercion. While laboring to benefit another occurs in the condition of slavery, involuntary servitude does not necessarily connote the complete lack of freedom experienced in chattel slavery; involuntary servitude may also refer to other forms of unfree labor. Involuntary servitude is not dependent upon compensation or its amount.



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